Post #3304447
2026-06-13 00:29 UTC
Replies (31)
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@joe@f.duriansoftware.com 2026-06-13 00:38
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org even then, considering most users of anything don’t bother changing defaults ever, both of those numbers are pretty huge
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@czarbucks@vmst.io 2026-06-14 13:16
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Or left FF already...
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@n1k0@mamot.fr 2026-06-14 10:20
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org @dblanchet@piaille.fr … or that means mozilla tracks these events bypassing user preferences wrt telemetry I don't know what's worse, that or the blatant manipulation (vivaldi rocks)
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@orange_lux@eldritch.cafe 2026-06-14 10:32
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org or they switched to better alternatives.
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@gabrielesvelto@mas.to 2026-06-14 10:49
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org it also doesn't answer a more important question, how many users do actually use the features? And how many once you take out translation? Translation was lumped with the LLM-based features while predating them and implemented using a completely different approach.
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@mattmarcha@mamot.fr 2026-06-14 11:13
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org I got tired to _demand_ this kind of features. When the kill switch finally arrived, I wasn't a Firefox user anymore.
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@lilo@muenster.im 2026-06-14 14:09
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org ...that and switched to another browser.
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@johannes@front-end.social 2026-06-14 15:16
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Had to double check, cause there’s no way I would allow telemetry.. and sure, both are turned off.
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@oldperl@mastodon.online 2026-06-14 15:18
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org or using another browser... FOSS Browser | F-Droid – Freies und quelloffenes Android-App-Repository https://f-droid.org/packages/de.baumann.browser/
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@2something@transfem.social 2026-06-14 15:28
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org I know it isn't the same order of magnitude of evil, but this kind of reasoning always makes me think of the justification for psychiatric shadow prisons: "We passed a law that if someone attempts suicide and fails, we subject them to coercive interrogation to make them say they changed their mind. We then found that almost everyone who attempts suicide and fails says they changed their mind!"
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@raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie 2026-06-14 15:38
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Such arrogant nonsense. On so many levels.
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@Eatsbluecrayon@rollenspiel.social 2026-06-14 17:11
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Where's this quote from? If it's something official from Mozilla I will finally move my ass and switch browsers. Because I turned off the stochastic parrot the second it was possible and I don't need some marketing clown honk at me how many imagined bozos loved it. To what end? To peer pressure me into liquifying my brain? Fucknuts.
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@eldaking@weirder.earth 2026-06-14 17:33
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Lol, great argument for why it should be turned off by default. I.e. opt-in instead of opt-out. "We created this much demanded mitigation, but few people used it. Of course it means that people lied to us, not that our mitigation is shit and not nearly good enough" 🙄
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@mediaevalfishsandwich@zeroes.ca 2026-06-14 18:19
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Yes. Furthermore I'm blocking telemetry.mozilla.org in two other places before the browser traffic touches the ISP. Interestingly(?) Firefox (esr) still tries to contact telemetry several times a day.
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@StevenSaus@faithcollapsing.com 2026-06-14 18:28
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org This is an excellent point about inadvertent sample bias!
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@lmgenealogy@mstdn.ca 2026-06-14 19:00
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Right, but that doesn't support the "everyone really wants this" narrative.
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@linear@nya.social 2026-06-14 20:36
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org my upstream OS vendor turns this telemetry off by default. firefox therefore says it is being "managed by my organization" in its settings page, because of the file they installed to override this. nobody who runs any number of different Linux distributions is counted in these numbers. this includes all 3 members of my household, about 10 machines. it probably includes multiple of my coworkers.
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@koolfy@social.bim.land 2026-06-14 20:40
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org I only learned now that it exists. I disabled some #firefox AI features back when I found them looking for them manually in anger, since them I missed the *highly relevant to me* news of this killswitch. I enabled the AI killswitch. Alongside a few other telemetry options I had no idea were in there and enabled somehow. I'm currently looking into how much I can afford to donate to #Ladybird each month.
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@crystalvisits@mas.wrong.tools 2026-06-14 21:25
For what it's worth: I don't use Firefox very often, but one of my school login sites has functioned best on Firefox for some reason. It hadn't occurred to me to hung down these settings on Firefox, but I've just done so and turned off the AI, thanks to this toot. So thank you, @nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org!
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@FredricT@mastodon.opportunis.me 2026-06-14 21:37
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org This nearly made me turn the telemetry back on 😅
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@bovine3dom@masto.ai 2026-06-13 13:01
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org a few years ago Mozilla accidentally (genuinely) was collecting telemetry about extensions from people who had opted out, either themselves or via their distros. When they realised and fixed their bug, 50% of my users disappeared overnight @po3mah@mastodon.social
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@ellie@ellieayla.net 2026-06-13 12:54
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Mozilla built a telemetry kill switch into Firefox after its users demanded one. Only 0% have used it. The rest left everything on.
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@h0m54r@mastodon.social 2026-06-13 09:30
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org @megalomaniac@mastodon.me.uk Or had quit using Firefox for a fork that took their concerns seriously.
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@megalomaniac@mastodon.me.uk 2026-06-13 08:20
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org yeah, I just don’t use vanilla FF anymore. Zen or Librewolf.
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@Thijs_Goverde@mastodon.nl 2026-06-13 06:06
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Also, I know for a fact that some Firefox users (at least one) are not following all developments of their browser of choice all that closely. Such people may have been unaware of the existence of this killswitch. Until they saw this post, that is. They have now probably blocked all AI features.
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@stefanie@social.anoxinon.de 2026-06-13 04:08
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Thanks for this post. I didn't know that exists. Immediately enabled it after seeing this post.
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@ausgroucho@aus.social 2026-06-13 04:02
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org I not only had AI off from the start, but now use Vivaldi most of the time, specifically because FireFux added it.
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@DavidBridger@writing.exchange 2026-06-13 03:01
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Yeah, I threw Firefox in the sea right away, with a sigh of sadness about squandered everything but still ruthless.
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@tbortels@infosec.exchange 2026-06-13 02:38
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org Many of the people who wanted the AI kill switch got tired of waiting and switch to LibreWolf or other options. I know, I'm one of them. When firefox added the kill switch - well, that ship has sailed.
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@0x00string@infosec.exchange 2026-06-13 02:31
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org LOL those motherfuckers hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah who the fuck shares telemetry data with mozilla fucking mall kiosks?!
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@hub@cosocial.ca 2026-06-13 01:45
@nyquildotorg@gts.nyquil.org when they pushed the Mr Robot crap I turned that shite off. Almost a decade now.