Post #1432768
2025-05-20 04:30 UTC
Replies (26)
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@64kb@icosahedron.website 2025-05-20 09:07
@TimWardCam@c.im @jackscottau@aus.social it's the cowboy to pro pipeline. My favourite rewrite was one query I saw the outside of the code was terrible and thought I'd see if there was a well thought out core - but no, they were remarkably consistent. Got the rewrite done and the new one was so much faster I wasn't sure if it was working at first.
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@64kb@icosahedron.website 2025-05-20 09:45
@TimWardCam@c.im @jackscottau@aus.social I love doing that kind of optimisation (or even enabling other devs to). Never 24 hours, but certainly about 1500 queries down to about 4. The Django Debug toolbar is wonderful for helping with this.
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@AbramKedge@beige.party 2025-05-20 12:43
@TimWardCam@c.im @64kb@icosahedron.website @jackscottau@aus.social That's a lot better than my daily update story. I was in what was effectively a technical sales role while managing an engineering team. I was told that I shouldn't ever need to touch any code. I had also been told that this guy was the best engineer they ever had, so I stayed hands off for a while as he struggled with a daily update that was hitting 21 hours. One Friday we chatted and he told me he'd hit a brick wall. "Ok, let me take a look over the weekend, I'll see if anything jumps out at me." Yeahhhh... I ended up refactoring out 80% of his copy and paste code, used pass by reference rather than copy of copy of copy of huge arrays, and that was it... full update in around an hour. Total time working on the code, about four hours. He had been working on it for six months.
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@mathw@hachyderm.io 2025-05-21 17:22
@TimWardCam@c.im @64kb@icosahedron.website @jackscottau@aus.social oh so satisfying!!
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@kojote@sueden.social 2025-05-21 22:11
@TimWardCam@c.im @64kb@icosahedron.website @jackscottau@aus.social it's almost always n+1... Or 10 explodes in a for construct turtle tower (don't ask)
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@davey_cakes@mastodon.ie 2025-05-20 09:43
@TimWardCam@c.im @jackscottau@aus.social a friend of mine in a different industry told me about when a potential client says "But this bunch of hacks will do it for half that price" After years of being swayed by that kind of thing the stock response is now "Go with them, so, and when they fuck it up our rates to fix it will be the same as before"
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@davey_cakes@mastodon.ie 2025-05-20 09:56
@TimWardCam@c.im @jackscottau@aus.social oh god, I know the feeling. Love it when you pull off a miracle to stop something imploding, and then the client decides it's your fault that the 90% of the code you managed not to touch is a big steaming pile. Happened me once or twice, usually involving Wordpress plugin Jenga.
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@davey_cakes@mastodon.ie 2025-05-20 10:00
@TimWardCam@c.im @jackscottau@aus.social just checked the site of the worst offender, they seem to have gone under. Surprising.
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@wesdym@mastodon.social 2025-05-20 22:24
@TimWardCam@c.im My father was an expert (scientific) consultant for years, and said that as near as he could figure, corporate philosophy was something like, "There's never time and money to do it right the first time, but there's always time and money to do it over."
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@felichsdakatze@mastodon.social 2025-05-20 07:39
@jackscottau@aus.social The bodgey home mechanic pays twice, once for his parts, and a second time to fix what he screwed up...
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@Su_G@aus.social 2025-05-20 08:02
@jackscottau@aus.social “Basically vibe coding is making me money specifically because I'm not using it.” That’s pretty ironic but good for you, that you’re getting clients due to the poor quality of vibe coding. 🙂 #vibeCoding #irony #codingQuality #ReconnectingConsequencesToCauses
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@bob@epicyon.libreserver.org 2025-05-20 08:13
@jackscottau@aus.social This is similar to how I started doing commercial programming, except that vibe coding was called wizard programming.
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@64kb@icosahedron.website 2025-05-20 09:05
@jackscottau@aus.social excellent. As someone who worked on projects after they had been outsourced to the cheapest people they could find, I knew it would come to this - it's even quicker this time.
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@womble@infosec.exchange 2025-05-20 09:06
@jackscottau@aus.social LLMs are my retirement plan. I figure five years of no juniors being hired "because AI can do it instead", and by the time the bubble fully disintegrates the pipeline for senior people who know what they're doing will be drier than a Margaret River Shiraz. It'll be like the late 90s market for COBOL programmers all over again...
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@jwcph@helvede.net 2025-05-20 10:05
@jackscottau@aus.social This was exactly what I recommended when all this #genAI bullshit started: Get yourself known for being able to fix all the problems this is going to create for everybody - that's going to a boom sector & has the added value that you're still valuable when everyone who thought the boom was AI tumbles ass over teakettle into irrelevance...
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@oscherler@tooting.ch 2025-05-20 10:14
@jackscottau@aus.social You had me in the first 10%, not gonna lie.
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@ner@fwoof.space 2025-05-20 10:30
@jackscottau@aus.social @cachondo@defcon.social What is vibe coding?
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@mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org 2025-05-20 10:31
@jackscottau@aus.social let’s hope this continues and that those clients find the devs who need them
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@alxndr@tech.lgbt 2025-05-20 11:07
@jackscottau@aus.social Unshittification Consulting, or something.
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@nuthatch@infosec.exchange 2025-05-20 11:12
@jackscottau@aus.social @circafuturum@infosec.exchange part of me loves this, of course! But part of me says, “enjoy it while it lasts, boys.” Vibe coding is awful but it’s going to get better. It may take awhile! But it’s not going to suck abysmally forever.
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@haaflife@ohai.social 2025-05-20 11:20
@jackscottau@aus.social same for me as a writer. LLMs have been a financial blessing for me!
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@lyrial@transfem.social 2025-05-20 11:24
@jackscottau@aus.social This whole thing saddens me. There are people that have recently graduated college (or high school) - and only know how to use gen AI to code. They are bullshitting their way into dev positions right now.
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@_maleficentgirl@troet.cafe 2025-05-20 11:33
@jackscottau@aus.social *laughs gloatingly* cant wait for this the shite to hit the fan when AI screws up entire massive DB's and they have to hire lots and lots of peeps to unfuck it.
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@jherazob@mastodon.ie 2025-05-20 11:35
@jackscottau@aus.social
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@priscillaharing@mastodon.green 2025-05-20 11:39
@jackscottau@aus.social good vibes only
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@bonkers@nerdculture.de 2025-05-20 11:58
@jackscottau@aus.social nice, a new title for your CV: Senior AI Unfuck Engineer.