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Nonya Bidniss
@Nonya_Bidniss@infosec.exchange · May 06
@ShredderFeeder They think of heaven that way because they believe only people exactly like them will be there. It's consistent with their world view because it's all only for them.
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Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE
@TimWardCam@c.im · May 06
@ShredderFeeder Socialism is in the bible - there's this bit where a gang of disciples pool their assets, if I remember correctly from school all those decades ago.
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Grumpy Old Techie 🕊️
@grumpyoldtechie@hostux.social · May 07
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Not all of them pooled their assets. Lying about holding back some assets was a grievous sin. Note not the holding back, the lying.
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François @Jura
@FrancoisPrague@mastodon.social · May 07
@ShredderFeeder isn't it the GOP Modus Operandi to make life a living hell so that death and nothingness will feel like heaven.
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Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов
@vnikolov@ieji.de · May 07
The above is a description of communism.
Socialism was declared an intermediate stage before communism; the latter was never built.
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morton
@morton@kolektiva.social · May 07
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@vnikolov@ieji.de In Poland, we have this libertarian journalist who, whenever the government does anything, shouts, "It's socialism." He builds roads, modernizes railways, whatever. We have a good railway. So, socialism works.
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Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов
@vnikolov@ieji.de · May 07
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What was that journalist doing until 1989?
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morton
@morton@kolektiva.social · May 07
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This one was too young to do anything other than shit in his diaper. Instead, we have the libertarian politician Mikke, who informed on the secret police, and Matecki, who sees communists everywhere, whose grandfather was a Security Service officer, his father a SB informer. You don't choose your parents, but family raises you. Matecki published the personal information of a politician's son, who had been sexually abused. A media campaign ensued, and the kid committed suicide. Human trash.
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Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов
@vnikolov@ieji.de · May 07
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@morton@kolektiva.social
Thank you for this information.
Yes, you are right.
This is all bad, and it is also bad that I, too, know painfully well how bad it is 🙁🙁🙁.
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SB is the Polish acronym for Security Service, isn't it?
Alas, I can't spell it properly, but I seem to recall it sounds like "Sluzhba Bezpechnosti".
The Bulgarian analogue was called (Committee for) State Security, transliterated (K)DS.
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morton
@morton@kolektiva.social · May 07
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@vnikolov@ieji.de yes.
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Beggar Midas
@Beggarmidas@mastodon.social · May 07
@ShredderFeeder Uhm.....Catholics on line two. They'd like a word with you about this 'classless heaven' presumption.
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Jigme Datse
@jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com · May 08
@ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com Well, we can't really have Heaven on Earth right?
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Democracy Dies in Dumbass
@ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com · May 08
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@jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com we will, as soon as the Christians leave.
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WylieCoyoteUK
@wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk · May 07
@ShredderFeeder Christians, yes.
Muslim paradise is quite different and misogynistic, separate heavens for men, married women and maidens.
Valhalla is even worse.
Basically just a promise of everything you want as long as you toe the line.
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TurquoiseBlue
@TurquoiseC@mastodon.social · May 07
@ShredderFeeder Marxism also emerged from the Abrahamic monotheistic tradition, only with heaven relocated from the afterlife to the human world. The United States is a right-wing country that has long been hostile to welfare policies, yet its culture core is also so called WASP — which is, in fact, a contradiction in itself.
However, in reality, many countries that have implemented Marxism have turned into entities where a small clique monopolizes the distribution of resources.
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Democracy Dies in Dumbass
@ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com · May 07
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@TurquoiseC it's why marxism and "communism" will never work.
Human beings suck, universally.
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Francisco
@franciscos@mastodon.social · May 06
@ShredderFeeder Absolutely bonkers and utter hypocrisy!!
If you extend it a bit, you'll be able to see the why; why the blank-check acceptance of very badly disguised "benevolent" authoritarians.
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Roy -- the dull one
@oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.social · May 06
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Hmmm... Let's see. They won't be able to spend time sneering at poor people, demeaning the sick, chuckling with pals about buying off the Government, cornering markets, competing with fellow fat rats over the most expensive car/ airplane/ villa /island/ ranch/ wardrobe/... , savoring that the "losers" aren't eating caviar...
They won't have any of their pleasures!
But real Christians can enjoy thinking of them surrounded by other fat rats, all singing hymns, 24/7 ➡️ ♾️
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PerryM ✅
@PerryM@newsie.social · May 06
@ShredderFeeder They further describe "heaven" as having streets lined with gold. People will swallow a whole lot on "faith" won't they?
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obscurestar
@obscurestar@mastodon.social · May 07
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@PerryM @ShredderFeeder I mean... Would gold streets even be good? Seems like they wouldn't offer good traction for vehicles and be too cold and hard on the feet. Why not streets paved with clouds or the fluff and purr of kittens without the guilt of wearing them as mittens?
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PerryM ✅
@PerryM@newsie.social · May 07
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@obscurestar@mastodon.social @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com It's a description of heaven long used by religion to captivate the minds of idiots.
Frankly, when I go to heaven, I want to go to DOGGIE HEAVEN where the streets are lined with ...
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Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️🌈
@em_and_future_cats@mastodon.social · May 06
@ShredderFeeder huh ya know what…?
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Enno Park
@ennopark@mastodon.social · May 06
@ShredderFeeder The description of heaven is not quite fitting when it comes to Christianity. The Christian heaven has a hierarchy of people nearer to god and people farer from him. So a rich and priviliged Christian can die believing that he will have a better place in heaven than all the other peasants, at least when he is free of sin and did all the sacraments...
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Grumpy Old Techie 🕊️
@grumpyoldtechie@hostux.social · May 07
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@ennopark
The bible often states Gods shows no favoritism. There is also the parable of the poor man in heaven and the rich man suffering in hell.
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Stuck Here
@MyWoolyMastadon@toot.community · May 07
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@grumpyoldtechie @ennopark @ShredderFeeder
Maybe he's thinking of the so called hierarchy of angels?
Seriously, not all Christians have the same viewpoint of Heaven. All have tainted beliefs based on how their Sunday School taught them and what brand of preaching took place before them.
I could see some sects believing in a hierarchy of the souls in heaven. There's some who believe that all souls must linger in purgatory until the 2nd coming to be judged only then.
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Ali Per Capita
@alipercapita@linke.social · May 07
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@ennopark @ShredderFeeder I think that depends on the kind of "Christianity" you refer to. US-american evangelist churches have been undermined by calvinist protestantic ideology - pushed by neoliberal forces.
https://youtu.be/xRG1N_JFVnY
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masyukun
@masyukun@mastodon.social · May 06
@ShredderFeeder Pretty sure they describe heaven as a place where they'll "have a mansion just over the hilltop" and it's a "bright land where we'll never grow old."
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Rebecca Segers
@rebelyn2@c.im · May 07
@ShredderFeeder I don't think those are the same religious people. Those who are invested in God's economy are not generally those who are invested in empire/nationalism. Even though they might claim the same religion.
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Scrimshaw
@Scrimshaw9@mastodon.social · May 07
@ShredderFeeder Socialism is oligarchy of government. It has very little to do with classless or heaven... some pigs are more equal than others in socialism's power dynamic by definition.
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obscurestar
@obscurestar@mastodon.social · May 07
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@Scrimshaw9 @ShredderFeeder I think what you miss in animal farm, presuming you've read it, is that the pigs are also the animals that interface with the human world and their behavior becomes ever more like that of the farmer who they revolted against in the first place. Are they inherently corrupt or is their sway towards capitalism the corrupting force?
I feel Orwell was a better writer than most of the people who quote him.
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Scrimshaw
@Scrimshaw9@mastodon.social · May 07
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@obscurestar @ShredderFeeder No. I didn't miss that but if you need it, I think you are very very smart. Just like your mother always told you.
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obscurestar
@obscurestar@mastodon.social · May 07
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@Scrimshaw9 @ShredderFeeder
Ah, such a quality response, completely disconnected from the subject, moving immediately to name calling and belittling because you lack the wit to respond in context.
Thanks for identifying yourself as a troll who has nothing of value to add. I grow so bored with tedious losers with no agenda other than being desperate for attention.
Have fun sulking in the time out corner.
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Scrimshaw
@Scrimshaw9@mastodon.social · May 08
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@obscurestar@mastodon.social @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com You started it with your condesending reply to me
and your whataboutism getting lost in the weeds of the pamphlet-sized book you needed everyone to know you read. You are very very smart and not at all insecure, your mommy is right about you... and socialism is oligarchy for governments.
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obscurestar
@obscurestar@mastodon.social · May 08
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@Scrimshaw9@mastodon.social @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com You mean you got caught trying to make a literary reference to something you hadn't read then threw a tantrum when reality didn't match your agenda, much like your childish reductionism of socialism is infantile.
Nor are you interested in the truth, just smearing your feces on things while howling like a baboon. It's so tiresome. Do something of merit with your worthless life.
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Jiri Rybar
@jirirbr@mastodonczech.cz · May 07
@ShredderFeeder @wvi Perhaps because there would be unlimited resources in heaven.
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Seiðr
@Illuminatus@mstdn.social · May 07
@ShredderFeeder No, there is absolutely no irony: religion (at least those with eschatological ontology) needs the metaphysical, the beyond, the possibility of "immanentizing the Eschaton" scares the shit out of them because it destroys despair in this world and the need for submission to their rules and sacrifice in this life for those rewards in the life beyond.
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a cruel twig's thesis
@Primavera@void.lgbt · May 07
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@Illuminatus @ShredderFeeder always found it telling of who they really are that their worldview forbids trying to bring about the conditions of heaven lol
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