@maaikees@sw-development-is.social
2025-05-08 01:27 UTC
Replies (27)
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@edebill@wandering.shop 2025-05-08 01:30
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social you’re correct, but alternatively: computer science is not about making software.
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@PeterLG@theblower.au 2025-05-08 01:44
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Spot on! Coding is easy; meeting user expectations ... not so much. Then there's the ability of stupid people to break almost any package one can produce.
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@the5thColumnist@mstdn.ca 2025-05-08 01:46
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social As a non-programmer but early personal computer user (Osborne 1) I've always thought pseudocode , writing out the steps you want the program to do was the most important part. The rest is just translation from English (or whatever) to whatever programming language you are using.
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@gcvsa@mstdn.plus 2025-05-08 02:20
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social This is exactly what I have been talking about the last few days. "How to code" has never been the real problem. The real problem is "what to code?" The answers that the technology community has given us have never had much to do, or even nothing to do with equity, accountability, due process, and appellate procedure.
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@helle@tacobelllabs.net 2025-05-08 07:56
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social software engineering is, but that is also like the super important bit of compsci, the math/logic bit is the easy part, now people are the real challenge
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@april@donotsta.re 2025-05-08 08:43
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social agree
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@SteveDuncan@mastodon.social 2025-05-08 09:23
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social People are the hard part of any endeavor involving more than 2 or 3 people.
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@pmb00cs@mastodon.online 2025-05-08 13:35
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social coding is just formalised instructions for a computer. The hard part isn't formalising the instructions you need to give. It's understanding the problem and identifying what instructions might possibly get to an acceptable solution. The problem with all "codeless" tools is that people who write code are seen as expensive, but the skill that makes them expensive isn't writing code, it's the skill the users of the codeless tools would need anyway.
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@stfn@fedi.stfn.pl 2025-05-09 05:55
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social I have a strong belief that the most important part of software development is communication with other people, coding skills are often secondary
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@swrdghcnqstdr@tech.lgbt 2025-05-09 06:01
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social i don’t necessarily agree with this (insofar as it would justify a sort of slippery slope argument for basically every [societally necessary] career [society is fundamentally just stratification of people taking care of people] and the classification of pure humanities as a separate field is beneficial even to the humanities) but i don’t think nuance was the intent here and i will absolutely be saying it to every tech bro who gets on my nerves
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@ity@estradiol.city 2025-05-09 06:58
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social both are hard, if you work solo there are no people to deal with x3
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@Richboy50@woof.group 2025-05-09 10:34
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social As a sys admin on various software packages over the course of my career, I often found it maddening to try and explain to a provider what we needed. I always seemed to be speaking a language that no one else understood. Now that I work for a SaaS provider I'm struck by how challenging it is to try and figure out what's going on with our clients. I don't know what causes this vast divide but bridging it is a most challenging puzzle.
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@felface@infosec.exchange 2025-05-09 13:17
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Computer science was one of the few technical degrees my uni offered so the school of computer science was technically part of the faculty of the natural sciences
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@billiglarper@rollenspiel.social 2025-05-09 14:37
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Nice one. 😁 Though presenting computer science as part of the humanities really gets humanities folk riled up, too. 🤷♂️
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@indiealexh@tny.social 2025-05-09 15:02
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social I remind my staff all the time, coding is easy, people are hard. We don't code for computers, we code for people.
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@happykhan@mstdn.science 2025-05-09 15:15
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social It's about people? Always has been.
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@EricLawton@kolektiva.social 2025-05-09 15:19
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social I went from coding to architecture. My whole day was spent talking with people and documenting conversations. "Systems" went from hardware and software to social systems with some infrastructure provided by computers. #socialSystems #systemsThinking #systems @bonaventuresoft@mastodon.online
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@psistarpsiii@tacobelllabs.net 2025-05-09 15:27
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social the technical problems are easy, but the human problems are impossible
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@roos@tooting.ch 2025-05-09 15:48
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social coding is not the hardest part of making software. Understanding what to code is.
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@xchange@chaos.social 2025-05-09 15:51
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social UX and agile project management is more sociology and psychology than engineering
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@the_turtle@mastodon.sdf.org 2025-05-09 16:28
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Yeah. After 41 years farting around with computers, truth. People used to ask me how long things would take to do. "It'll take us four weeks to do it; it'll take you six months to talk about it." They thought I was joking.
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@Capital@catlang.social 2025-05-09 18:10
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Software development as a humanity and computer theory as a specialization of a mathematics major. I've always felt "computer sciences" was an ugly marriage of two disjointed practices.
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@Daseinsappeal@troet.cafe 2025-05-09 20:18
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Should be. I'm trained as a psychologist and couldn't agree more. My colleague Tobi put it this way: You get called in to solve a usability problem. When you look into it, you find it's a process problem. When you look into that, you find it's a communication problem. And when you look into that, you find a culture problem. And that's why it's hard.
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@CounterPillow@mastodon.social 2025-05-09 21:22
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social I can see where you're going with this but I'm not sure "the driver is progressing well, but I am extremely hard" is a good statement for me to make during my weekly technical meeting with other developers.
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@gundersen@mastodon.social 2025-05-10 05:54
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social the phrase I learned is that explaining to the computer what you want it to do is easy, the hard part is explaining it to other people.
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@froge@social.glitched.systems 2025-05-10 06:11
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social god I fucking wish it was cross-functional with humanities studies, the academic world treats it like an abstract branch of math (which is reasonable tbf) while ignoring the ACTUAL real world implementations, which are very much closer to a sociology project than a difficult math project
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@heinragas@mublog.nl 2025-05-10 06:54
@maaikees@sw-development-is.social Tech problems are easy, all hard problems are people problems