Post #816484
2025-11-14 15:29 UTC
Replies (23)
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@64bithero@mstdn.games 2025-11-14 15:42
@mariyadelano it’s the new buzz word. Like big data and cloud before it. We’ve utilized technologies like it for years and the marquee companies come in and heavily market it. Like those bubbles this will burst to. Just hope it happens before most of the industry is laid off.
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@isaackuo@spacey.space 2025-11-14 15:45
@mariyadelano It's because they aren't computer programmers and I define "computer programmers" to be "the laziest people on Planet Earth." No one else puts so much effort into automating something, to avoid a small amount of effort.
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@glecharles@gardenstate.social 2025-11-14 15:52
@mariyadelano I'm in the middle of evaluating Hubspot and told the rep to avoid mentioning any AI features. He stumbled at one point and I reminded him that pattern matching and automation are things Hubspot was good at long before everything had to be called AI.
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@tshirtman@mas.to 2025-11-14 15:57
@mariyadelano dunno if i’m high on AI, but i use it a lot at work. I know i can automate things, have been programming for 20+ years, i write shell scripts, i have my own vim plugins, etc, but: - LLM can write the automation code, too, and it’s often boring code, frequently throwaway, too, so that helps. - Some things are a pain to automate, too many corner cases, etc, and the LLM itself can help with that. But it’s good to teach what doesn’t need it.
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@davidculley@hachyderm.io 2025-11-14 16:14
@mariyadelano This is exactly my experience. They just ask for some automation. And naturally, due to their cluelessness, their first thought is AI. What they ask for can almost always be delivered with zero AI: - find all occurrences of A in a text and replace them with B - transform the CamelCase words in all this text to snake_case words - auto-indent this text according to our style guide All you need is a basic grasp of your text editor and/or the ecosystem of the programming language of your choice. I understand that a non-technical manager doesn't understand the difference between this and AI. But when I see senior engineers who don't understand this, I wonder how they ever earned the Senior in their title. Years since graduation from university isn't the same as experience. Having survived multiple years in the same job without growth isn't the same as being senior. None of the mentioned "use cases for AI" are sophisticated. If you want to auto-format your code in a way that is always correct, just execute prettier, black, rustfmt or sqlfmt, depending on whether your code is written in JavaScript, Python, Rust or SQL. I will never understand people that write up a Confluence document, jotting down their personal preferences and pet peeves, and then ask Copilot to format the codebase according to that Confluence page, and each time get different results and/or merge conflicts with the non-deterministic LLM messing up half the time. Also, LLMs are popular since about 3 years. How the fuck did managers ask their engineers to replace all occurrences of A with B, four years ago? Before they could say, "Use AI to do it."
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@geonz@mathstodon.xyz 2025-11-14 16:36
@mariyadelano Yes. It works the other way too. THere's this reading software where when they've done all the levels, they automatically can't do anything any more. They *can't* say "I want to go practice the vocab. in level K and L." I said to tech support it felt like an invasion of AI and they said that oh, no, they didn't use AI!!!!! Okay, algoruthm abuse :( :(
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@davep@infosec.exchange 2025-11-14 16:38
@mariyadelano Ans-Ible! Let's start a unicorn...
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@amsomniac@mastodon.mit.edu 2025-11-14 16:47
@mariyadelano parsing with regexes is deterministic, debuggable, efficient, and hard. parsing with LLMs seems easy, until you try to debug it…
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@bytebro@mastodonapp.uk 2025-11-14 16:52
@mariyadelano Scripting languages can be your friend here, of course. My 'automated' stuff is now almost always a Perl script, usually with a bash script (or similar) front-end to invoke the correct version of the Perl interpreter and pass arguments in. I'm down to 2 systemd scripts for backup stuff - everything else is a Perl script. This is on Garuda Linux.
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@pthane@toot.wales 2025-11-14 17:09
@mariyadelano People need to learn some history of technology. About 300 years ago stream pumps needed a boy to open and close stream, water and drain taps in a sequence. Then a lad figured out that by trying string to different moving parts of the engine he could make it control its own valves. From that we evolved control systems engineering. Now we often do it with electrons rather than string but it's still just a logical sequence of events.
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@Sassinake@mastodon.social 2025-11-14 17:15
@mariyadelano ai just introduces random errors in an otherwise controlled-environment code. Mind you, with so many 'librairies' imported into code now....
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@AlgoCompSynth@mastodon.social 2025-11-14 17:16
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@mariyadelano/115548761092296218 @mariyadelano Yep ... the whole *point* of AI is that they don't want to pay *you* a living wage to learn programming and write and maintain software, they want a computer in a data center to do it all.
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@khleedril@cyberplace.social 2025-11-14 17:16
@mariyadelano Sudo make me a sandwich. No AI needed.
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@Epic_Null@infosec.exchange 2025-11-14 17:17
@mariyadelano Maybe we need a buzzword of our own to meet it with? How about PA (procedural automation)?
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@trisweb@m.trisweb.com 2025-11-14 17:20
@mariyadelano It’s a great point. I think the natural language interface to AI, that gives it seeming flexibility and instructability, just makes it easier for normal people to bridge the capability to how they think naturally. Even if it’s not the best solution in the end. It’s interesting if nothing else.
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@8bitarcher@kind.social 2025-11-14 17:22
@mariyadelano I suspect there's an element of platform lock in occuring with a lot of this. quite a lot of stuff we have to deal with these days are platform specific so working with more standard core tools like Bash aren't being kept sharp or handed down. I'm someone who came into database work and sql development via a call center background than conventional approaches I've found it notable that I had little exposure to low level tools until I went hunting for them.
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@float13@masto.hackers.town 2025-11-14 17:25
@mariyadelano "0AI" should be a new product certification label
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@PastaThief@indiepocalypse.social 2025-11-14 17:34
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io I think, though, that it's easy to overlook how... not difficult, but perhaps poorly documented and/or advertised many things of that sort are. For example, I'm very aware of automation, and fully understand that you could do what you just described with it, but I would have no idea where to even begin with actually implementing the relatively straightforward workflow that you described. This is not to say that AI is a good solution, but I think that some people assume that when people talk about AI they mean using AI techniques to solve the problem, where I think for most people who are into AI (and to be clear, I'm not), what they really mean is "being able to use natural language to implement a working solution, using whatever techniques make sense". Like, slap a natural language front-end on an automation tool and the same people would be equally happy.
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@faoluin@chitter.xyz 2025-11-14 17:39
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io Being able to program useful interactions between systems requires those systems to have a documented and functional API of some kind. A lot of new tech (especially consumer-faacing tech) is closed, locked down, and proprietary. Or enough so that programming against it is a nightmare. Open, interoperable standards are key to successful automation.
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@chris__martin@functional.cafe 2025-11-14 17:39
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io My dad's pacemaker does some kind of sensing and automatic adjustment to the induced heart rate, and he says it's AI. I found myself unable to explain why it's surely not because the word doesn't have a definition. Maybe it's fine to sell your automations as "AI" just meaning "software that does something smart without your direct instruction"
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@TrevorBramble@ruby.social 2025-11-14 17:46
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io I've noticed a correlation to computer ignorance in general but this …wow.
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@jotak@framapiaf.org 2025-11-14 17:50
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io ok, but why would you build cheap automation when you can have it powered by three nuclear plants? #halfjoking
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@ELS@sfba.social 2025-11-14 17:55
@mariyadelano@hachyderm.io Just as how, a generation ago, statistics got renamed “data science.” Everyone needs a new word to make their own work feel less dated and more novel than it really is.