Post #1907354
2026-04-11 22:40 UTC
Replies (25)
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@scott@carfree.city 2026-04-11 22:44
@minmi@sfba.social Imagine thinking the allocation of resources and labor time we have now is good! In the midst of the AI bubble!
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@Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 2026-04-11 22:51
@minmi@sfba.social Also, I bet people are going to be making stovetops that don't connect to the internet.
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@coriander@elekk.xyz 2026-04-11 23:18
@minmi@sfba.social Oh no! Artisan crafts would make a comeback! One of the oldest things humanity has been doing! The horror!!
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@funkula@goblin.camp 2026-04-11 23:22
@minmi@sfba.social damn it sure would suck to have one of a kind durable goods made by my neighbor instead of shit shipped halfway across the globe and identical to thirty million other units
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@gregly@retro.pizza 2026-04-11 23:44
@minmi@sfba.social Opposing UBI (or universal health care, or other social programs) is an essentially eugenicist policy.
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@keira_reckons@aus.social 2026-04-11 23:50
@minmi@sfba.social exactly this. And people will actively choose to do useful things (including pots and paintings) because deep down most people just want to please someone and go to bed feeling like a Good Dog, at least some days. I've never yet met an adult who enjoys doing nothing useful, ever. It just might take some people a while to dust themselves off after their long period of workplace mistreatment.
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@gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place 2026-04-11 23:58
@minmi@sfba.social if people would just look up every single experimentation with UBI...
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@PastaThief@indiepocalypse.social 2026-04-12 00:55
@minmi@sfba.social Plus, the big problem is that we're on the verge of eliminating a huge number of jobs, and the promise that the people making that happen make is that it'll free everyone up to make pots all day. If we don't have something like UBI, instead it'll free everyone up tp, you know, become homeless en masse.
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@silicasandwhich@java.duke.social 2026-04-12 01:25
@minmi@sfba.social as someone realizing with horror that im probably going to be a software engineer after graduation, i cannot stress enough how much id rather be making pots and paintings than a stovetop that inexplicably connects to the internet
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@Umbreon@donphan.social 2026-04-12 01:46
@minmi@sfba.social I'm more concerned that landlords will just jack up rent to eat the UBI now they know you at least have that.
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@kagan@wandering.shop 2026-04-12 02:39
@minmi@sfba.social "If you give people UBI, they'll just... create useful houseware items! And make art, one of the hallmarks of an advanced healthy civilization!" OK, but do you see how saying that like it's a bad thing means you're completely deranged? 🤨
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@drewdaniels@mastodon.online 2026-04-12 02:47
@minmi@sfba.social I hope we can all enjoy a future with more art. 🙂
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@babble_endanger@freeradical.zone 2026-04-12 03:26
@minmi@sfba.social If I had UBI I might make a stovetop that doesn't need Internet
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@Sea1Am@mastodon.social 2026-04-12 04:45
@minmi@sfba.social But, how are we going to burn your house down and blame it on a lithium battery if we don't connect your stove to the web?
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@dfx4509b@friendica.world 2026-04-12 04:59
@minmi@sfba.social “If you give ppl UBI, everyone’s just going to be making pots or painting or something!” That's a good thing, make human creation relevant again instead of LLMs taking everything.
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@alienghic@timeloop.cafe 2026-04-12 06:27
@minmi@sfba.social My bigger worry about UBI is without some other reforms whatever is given out as UBI will just be absorbed by the landlords. I think there needs to be free or sliding scale housing to compete with the landlords.
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@GinevraCat@toot.community 2026-04-12 11:38
@minmi@sfba.social Firstly, hell yes. Secondly - patently untrue. Just look at all the electronic tinkerers, maths nerds, youtube scientists - people will also continue to keep seeking knowledge, keep improving technology and being geeky nerds in pretty much any field of human endeavour we can imagine. We'll all be happier though.
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@SteveClough@metalhead.club 2026-04-12 12:16
@minmi@sfba.social And I want people to be able to do the things that they want, that make them happy, that enable them to express themselves. I don't care if the results are all crap. I care that people feel that they are human. Whereas currently, the capitalist slave economy dehumanises people.
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@radicalabacus@hachyderm.io 2026-04-12 12:17
@minmi@sfba.social it's nonsense anyway. If my basic needs were met, I'd be delighted to clean and repair stuff, help people get around, move things around my city, garden in the park, whatever needs done. Doing a variety of useful things is how I want to spend my time, I just can't because I have to work. I don't think I'm alone
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@cshlan@dawdling.net 2026-04-12 15:43
@minmi@sfba.social They always ignore the fact that most people will still want a higher standard of living than the UBI offers. People will still work at jobs they aren't enamored with. They'll just have more time and flexibility to be creative and less incentive to work in poor conditions which makes things better for all of us!
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@mewsleah@meow.social 2026-04-13 00:15
@minmi@sfba.social *files that complaint under "threatened with a good time"*
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@paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange 2026-04-13 00:37
@minmi@sfba.social OMFG yes! let's stop putting folks into decades of debt for a degree as the "only path to being a 'good' citizen"... let's have more artists, artisans. let's give people a safety net so that corporations and corporate health care aren't shackles to bind us in economic slavery. give people the power and option to have some say in how they live their lives. UBI and universal health care for all.
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@OrionKidder@mas.to 2026-04-13 00:47
@minmi@sfba.social Damn right! Nobody should have to do anything more than contribute to the function of society. There's no *goal* here other than making life better for people and the environment around them. Just let people be people. Stockpiling money for the powerful is literally a waste of time and energy, and ultimately *diminishes* health and happiness.
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@dartigen@aus.social 2026-04-13 00:49
@minmi@sfba.social "But who will do cleaning and take out the bins and [insert other job that's vital but also kind of icky and looked down upon here]?" So bear with me, some people actually enjoy those things too but either can't get paid for them or don't get paid nearly enough to do them to live on so they have to do something else or multiple things. There are people out there who would genuinely get far more joy and fulfilment from cleaning than from whatever they currently do to pay the rent.
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@Quasit@kolektiva.social 2026-04-13 01:10
@minmi@sfba.social If you give people UBI but don't get rid of the oligarchs and capitalism, the price of everything will just go up sufficiently to erase that UBI—and probably more. So if they give everybody $2,000 a month, the price of everything will probably go up $3,000 a month. If they increase the UBI to 3000, prices will go up to $4,000. Or 5,000. What you have to understand is that as far as the billionaires are concerned, any money we receive is rightfully theirs. And they will use ALL of their power to take it away from us. The working class must always be on the ragged edge of starvation at all times, in the eyes of the oligarchs. So the UBI by itself is simply meaningless UNLESS we end capitalism. The necessities of life should be free to all, regardless of the specific costs. Everyone deserves housing, everyone deserves food, everyone deserves clean water, everyone deserves power and information. Once the necessities are free, people can work and contribute to the general good. We can live the lives that WE choose to live, and help each other to make the best of their own abilities and talents. We're going to need every human being to be able to do their best to help save the planet, and to be as fulfilled and content as possible while doing it. Nothing against UBI as such. Just a warning that in itself it is absolutely not a cure for capitalism. #Politics #UBI #Capitalism #oligarchs