Post #1820476
2026-04-30 12:03 UTC
Replies (33)
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@nachtigal@rheinneckar.social 2026-04-30 13:05
@Jeroen89 The same is valid for our night sky. With all the light pollution we forget how a starry sky could look like :( https://nationalgeographic.de/umwelt/2025/09/verschwinden-die-sterne-vom-nachthimmel/ by @skyglowberlin #lighpollution #Lichtverschmutzung
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@Uair@autistics.life 2026-04-30 14:03
@Jeroen89 I was taught that Mesopotamia was "The Fertile Crescent", and that it is in what today is Iraq and Turkey. I remember watching the news in 1991 the first time we bombed the shit out of Iraq. It didn't look very fertile to me. It looked like a desert. Same thing?
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@footils@social.cologne 2026-04-30 14:44
@Jeroen89 It also explains why older people like me often are very sad.
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@phf@dmv.community 2026-04-30 15:39
@Jeroen89 If you want a jungle, you need to let it be a jungle. There's no "carefully extracting some resources" or any such thing, it will destroy the jungle. (I use jungle in a generic way to mean "nature, undisturbed" if I may.) And that's why with capitalism, you cannot have jungles. All jungles will be "extracted for profit" because growing the jungle is an externalized (to the past) cost, not having the jungle is an externalized (to the future) cost, but profit is being made NOW. Want change? Gotta go chop down some rich people instead of trees, no way around it. 🤷 (Figuratively, of course. But chop you must.)
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@sarae@ecoevo.social 2026-04-30 15:42
@Jeroen89 ok, but it's pretty ironic that you're illustrating this with AI style graphics
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@forteller@tutoteket.no 2026-04-30 17:00
@Jeroen89 Is that a flying fish in 2020? 😅
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@_RyekDarkener_@mastodon.social 2026-04-30 17:07
@Jeroen89 Good point. But: How can one forget things never known?
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@stepheneb@ruby.social 2026-04-30 18:48
@Jeroen89 When you can still imagine something that’s lost that’s something you might be able to get back. When folks can no longer imagine something that loss is much more profound. For a few days after 9/11 there was so much less particulate in the atmosphere younger folks could see things in the distance they had never seen before and there were still old folks who could remember and describe it.
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@mhagdorn@toot.berlin 2026-04-30 19:48
@Jeroen89 it's heart breaking
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@JackMexa4@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 00:12
@Jeroen89 This is 100% true. and sad 😔
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@RantingCanuck@mstdn.ca 2026-05-01 00:26
@Jeroen89 I didn't know this had a name but it resonates with me.... I remember how amazing the Milky Way used to look at night and how even in 'dark sky zones' it just isn't as vibrant
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@kete@mstdn.social 2026-05-01 00:28
@Jeroen89 Maybe there should be an indigenous person in the 1800 frame.
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@martaczc@mastodon.com.pl 2026-05-01 00:33
@Jeroen89 is it ai generated picture? It contains a strange mixture of european and north american species, which may be typical nowadays, but not in 1800.
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@KatLS@ohai.social 2026-05-01 00:38
@Jeroen89 😓
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@werawelt@social.tchncs.de 2026-05-01 00:39
@Jeroen89 Before 40 years scientists warn us for a "silent" spring, because there will be less birds and insects. Since ca. 10 years it goes more and more silent in our gardens.... Sad.
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@Voxofgod@fuckaas.space 2026-05-01 00:47
RE: https://mastodon-belgium.be/@Jeroen89/116493556060663013 @Jeroen89 can't remember the last time I heard bugs on a windshield
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@saltywizard@beige.party 2026-05-01 00:52
@Jeroen89 frogs in a pot
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@CyReVolt@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 01:01
@Jeroen89 at least people are working on reversal strategies https://www.researchgate.net/publication/398447583_Recovering_what_Reversing_Shifting_Baseline_Syndrome_to_enable_nature_recovery_in_UK_National_Parks
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@earthshine@masto.hackers.town 2026-05-01 01:03
@Jeroen89 if you read some of the accounts of the original settlers and explorers of the American west, they describe wildlife so diverse and plentiful that it sounds exaggerated, hardly real or believable to us... but it was real. You could live off the land and want for nothing. It's extremely depressing to visit the same places today and see how little is left.
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@AdmiralMemo@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 01:48
@Jeroen89 I miss the fireflies from my childhood.
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@disorderlyf@todon.eu 2026-05-01 02:16
@Jeroen89 I experienced a sort of wake up call to this visiting where I grew up for the first time in a decade. It was the first time I ever saw wild grasses there as hues of brown and yellow instead of green. Growing up, it was the greenest place I had ever seen. Even photos of other places didn't compare. It felt like the entire area, not just the people and the infrastructure, but the land itself was dying in front of me. It was horrifying.
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@stragu@mastodon.indie.host 2026-05-01 02:24
@Jeroen89 I looked at the image without reading the text and at first understood it as "this is what regeneration can look like", with baseline at the top and what could be in a few decades at the bottom. Join your local bushcare / bush regeneration / land care / ecological restoration group. ✊💚
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@Coho@climatejustice.social 2026-05-01 02:33
@Jeroen89 The ever lowering baseline. I remember when thousands and thousands of salmon came up my river to spawn in the fall. Today's people get excited by a couple hundred fish. The meadows in my home creek watershed were 98% CA native. Then in early 2020 some do gooders weed whacked 5 miles of the verge of the rd. Required by the state for a pot growing permit. They introduced 5 highly invasive species because they came with seed contaminated weedwhackers. Then they weed whacked again the next year and spread inavasive seeds far and wide, as a requirement for their stupid pot grow, when all the newly introduced invasives were setting seeds. It's unbelievable how fast those introduced invasive annual grasses, moved from the rd to ridge tops covering average, and have wiped out the incredible plant diversity that coexisted in our meadows for thousands of years. . The human new comers have no idea of the tragedy that has unfolded because of their stupid weed whacking . The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And our fire hazard has increased 1000 fold with these annual grasses that build up thick mats of bone dry tinder by May ,and our lovely diverse low growing , fire resilient , native meadows are almost gone. It's unbelievable how quickly the destruction occured. And the next generation will know that man made out of balance mess . . as normal.
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@n_dimension@infosec.exchange 2026-05-01 02:58
@Jeroen89 I've been driving interstate ( #australia) for the past 40 years... ... Early on, each time I stopped for gas, I had to scrape thick mush of dead insects off the car. I used to have fly screen mesh on the car grill so insects wouldn't clog the radiator. These days I travel less often, but there are only about 10-25% as many insects #insects #extinction
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@jaycee@toot.community 2026-05-01 05:47
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be I’m old enough to remember front number plates being covered in dead insects after a moderately short drive. Now I can drive thousands of miles and perhaps get just a couple of the poor unfortunates on my car. That’s an apocalyptic decrease!
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@ClickyMcTicker@hachyderm.io 2026-05-01 08:00
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be The difference between 1850 and 1950 is apocalyptic. The extermination of trees for logging, the near extinction of the American chestnut trees, and the introduction of kudzu. We’ve been tampering with forests for far longer though: https://www.americanforests.org/article/north-american-forests-in-the-age-of-man/
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@gdjp@mastodon.sdf.org 2026-05-01 13:37
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be I emailed this to Parklane Landscapes, "There is an interesting conversation on Mastodon social media about a graphic attributed to your organization. I have attached a link to the conversation. My question is was your graphic AI generated? It illustrates a concept we should be aware of, but using AI on a regular basis can be questionable for "nature workers" due to the negative environmental costs of implementing the technology. I would appreciate it if you were to clarify this."
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@MokhtarStork@zirk.us 2026-05-01 13:46
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be Good for educational classes on the environment, notably to kids. It creates awareness.
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@souldessin@noauthority.social 2026-05-01 17:53
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be This is very easy to solve. People need to go outside more often. I have literally talked with people who thought that the state was losing its last forest. Meanwhile, we have state parks all over the place. Even worse, are the people who think these concrete jungles are beautiful. They'll cut down everything and then plant a bush for the environment.
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@Nigel_Lake@mastodon.world 2026-05-02 09:08
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be This phenomenon merits a more emotive name! As for the graphic - in all too many rural places, there's barely an insect to be seen. Happily, I came across a veritable insect hotspot this week - a small farm in Sussex that has been chemical free for a decade or more... Insects everywhere - more than I can remember seeing for a long time!
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@joelvanderwerf@mastodon.social 2026-05-02 18:46
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be I remember that butterfly I saw in 2020.
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@luna@lea.pet 2026-05-02 18:58
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be the irony of talking about climate change with ai slop graphics
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@evan@cosocial.ca 2026-05-03 05:47
@Jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be there was a great story about #ShiftingBaselineSyndrome about a decade ago. A biologist reviewed photos from fishing expeditions in Key West over half a century. Charter boats that regularly brought in fish bigger than the tourists who caught them were, after some decades, only bringing in fish about 30cm long. https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/02/05/257046530/big-fish-stories-getting-littler