Post #110997
2025-09-25 22:42 UTC
Replies (21)
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@netopwibby@social.coop 2025-09-25 23:25
cc @e11e
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@GoodNewsGreyShoes@mastodon.art 2025-09-26 01:49
@netopwibby This is an excellent description, & kinda nails why "free as in freedom" software development will always be super important: Stuff made by intrinsically motivated people is much less likely to face enshitification. (..it simply has an entirely *different* set of nearly insurmountable challenges!😅)
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@jordan@sometimes.social 2025-09-26 13:41
@netopwibby Nice, someone else who customizes the color of the Orange Website I made mine purple
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@introvertcatto@lgbtqia.space 2025-09-26 13:48
@netopwibby I hate modern social media because they are too much about trends and people forget about "social" part, like people will hate and say you are attention seeking if you put lgbtq flags somewhere in profile. My example, I put everywhere trans flags and trans memes to show other trans people, and allies and other lgbtq people, I am their friend and understand them, not because I am seeking some attention, technically I am but not because of trends. I used my example, other people probably have similar examples but I just hate how everything is about trends and nothing is about social part of social media.
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@christina@social.coop 2025-09-26 15:36
@netopwibby this resonates with the way I have been thinking about designing Socialroots for connection. More here on #SlowSocial https://www.socialroots.io/slow-social-and-the-cozyweb/
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@piuvas@capivarinha.club 2025-09-26 16:31
@netopwibby@social.coop rare hacker news w
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@davebauerart@mastodon.social 2025-09-26 19:13
@netopwibby This! There are still folks creating this atmosphere on the web, outside of technology, despite and within the big siloed platforms. I tell everyone I can about this.
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@nonzerosumjames@mastodon.social 2025-09-28 19:00
@netopwibby Yes, this is so right, and is the reason why I don't monetize, it would force me into a situation where I'd have to change what I write, and then what's the point of writing?
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@anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz 2026-01-04 11:59
@netopwibby you can still choose to use the right platforms. They are still out there. in that sense I feel like a lot of today's negative experience comes from people blindly following corporate advertisement, and having an incessant need to go with 'the big standard things'. If people dared to actually reject what they hated more, if people actually sought alternatives rather than pathologically clinging to what they dislike, maybe they could actually fix this abusive relationship for once.
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@tisha@htt.social 2026-01-04 12:13
@netopwibby That hurts a bit by sounding really true 😿
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@octesian@mastodon.social 2026-01-04 12:17
@netopwibby check out https://wiby.org/
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@saper@mastodon.social 2026-01-04 14:08
@netopwibby not sure if it is that good. It just defers the problem to the definitions of "intrinsic" and "extrinsic"
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@tay@tech.lgbt 2026-01-04 14:58
(this would be a quote, but i can't it looks like) i've been meaning to write a piece about #resonite in regards to this - while objectively very different from the old web (it's not a fully open platform, it's 3D & VR, it's a social multiplayer experience), it reminds me so much of the old web - just the vibe of learning the tools of crafts they're not in (game dev, 3d modelling, programming), in a way that's extremely quick, and you can just do spontaneously to make things that aren't valuable in the way the modern internet works (ie, engages as big of an audience for as long as possible so you can sell ads on it), but just making things for the sake of making things that are cool and interesting to you. also helps that the platform itself seems pretty enshitification resistant as compared to say, vrchat
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@czottmann@norden.social 2026-01-04 17:00
@netopwibby Original post, in case anyone was looking for it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45372654
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@penryu@hachyderm.io 2026-01-04 17:12
@netopwibby Respectfully disagree. The Old Web is the epitome of capitalism's ability to monetize the platform at the time. Everything we hate about the NEW web is business's increased ability to monetize the platform, now that 20+ years of community effort and development have gone into resolving the constraints of the Old Web.
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@gumnos@mastodon.bsd.cafe 2026-01-04 20:54
@netopwibby @thelastpsion Which is also why "removing web-advertising and monetization will kill the web" arguments largely fall on my indifference. It might kill a great deal of the current extrinsically-motivated web, but regardless of what happens to it, the intrinsically-motivated web will live on.
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@wpeckham@social.linux.pizza 2026-01-04 23:00
@netopwibby That is part of the justification for the Gemini network. (Which predated that Google obscenity significantly and is nothing whatsoever like it.) it's a bit like the web when it was HTML 1.0 and Netscape, crossed with Archie. Like webpages only with very few graphics, no scripting, and a lot of very simple, easily readable text It avoids all the enshittification that has gone on since the WEB became saturated with criminal and corporate entities. (and good luck telling the difference.)
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@tvaziri@mastodon.social 2026-01-05 15:23
@netopwibby @marcoarment wow
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@Sonic2k@oldbytes.space 2026-01-05 17:23
@netopwibby And this is why I went all in at neocities.org.
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@gordoooo_z@hachyderm.io 2026-01-06 02:59
@netopwibby the sad part is that it didn't have to be the "old web." It (small/non-commercial websites) stuck around and stayed visible alongside bigger platforms for a long time, up until Google went from trying to fight site owners who tried to game the system to get their sites on page 1, to providing them the tools to do it more than ever before, burying/disappearing huge swaths of the internet that weren't primarily commercial enterprises and therefore had no incentive to play that game in the process. The really sad part is that it didn't just change the ownership of the places we get our information from small+independent to big+commercial, it reduced the quality and reliability of those social spaces and sources of information to an extreme degree, and people are largely still using Google as their default entry point to the internet, and still using Chrome even as they actively reduce the effectiveness of ad blockers. That most of the frogs who finally realize they're being boiled have decided to stay in the pot is the part that makes it all feel so very hopeless.
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@goowose@woem.men 2026-01-05 17:11
@netopwibby@social.coop can we start by removing orange site which is full of vc startup types