Post #977085
2025-06-22 10:02 UTC
Replies (40)
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@ilust606@mastodon.social 2025-06-22 20:27
@kytta Cheers to Nikita for the effort! Perhaps if you attempted to rename the street "Gulf of Mexico" would it finally get the attention it needs from Google mapmakers.
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@geonz@mathstodon.xyz 2025-06-22 20:37
@kytta Notify the verifier!!!!
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@AG100pct@infosec.exchange 2025-06-22 21:21
@kytta Wow...nice tip !
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@adventure_tense@mapstodon.space 2025-06-22 21:31
@kytta Excellent! This happened to me as well. I went into Open Street Map to correct the spelling of our lane. Within a few weeks, Google Maps and Apple Maps had both updated the lane to the correct spelling.
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@joncamfield@mastodon.social 2025-06-22 22:10
@kytta @quinn this used to be the hack for search engines by editing dmoz
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@mark@mastodon.fixermark.com 2025-06-22 22:16
@kytta Does it count as "stealing" the data when the purpose of OSM is to create a globally-maintained "ground truth" of the map? I mean, that's like going to the library and "stealing" the definitions of words by copying them out of a dictionary, right?
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@pebo@digitalcourage.social 2025-06-23 05:36
@kytta Google has stolen Google Maps in whole, so what do you expect? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terravision_(computer_program) https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81074012?s=a&trkid=13747225&trg=cp&vlang=en&clip=81498110
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@geraldinemortier@mastodon.social 2025-06-23 06:43
@kytta Oh ! 😐
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@s173nc3r@mastodonczech.cz 2025-06-23 08:59
@kytta
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@adamsaidsomething@mastodon.social 2025-06-24 00:28
@kytta Well at least Google contributes upstream back to O.S.M. with they're own edits so its not just a one way street https://www.wired.com/2012/01/osm-google-accusation
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@ianp5a@mastodon.cloud 2025-06-24 14:28
@kytta So the test is... change it back! See what Google does. Hope nobody dies during the test period.
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@jondresner@spore.social 2025-06-26 04:30
@kytta Oh, that could be the answer to our problem: Chestnut Street is mislabeled in Google Maps as "Chesnut" street along much of its length (but not all of it: the north side of town is fine). I've submitted many notes to them, but now I've done an Open Street Map note, as well.
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@pierstoval@mastodon.social 2025-07-01 12:59
@kytta Google Maps has my address wrong too, because one part of the road is inaccessible to cars, and the name of my very small village is spelled wrong, I asked to change stuff there many times, the only thing they accepted was the streets names (streets were unnamed up until 2022-2023). I'm annoyed that they accepted streets names update but not the village name itself. Streets were easy to update but I have no idea for the village? 🤔
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@gilgwath@social.tchncs.de 2025-07-04 07:41
@kytta the wild thing about this is: OSM and it's various tools go out of their way to tell you not to copy from other map material. Then Google just pinches what ever they want from OSM. Which is fine I guess, but it would be nice if they gave something back.
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@wonshu@mastodon.social 2025-07-13 10:35
@kytta outrageous, but at least there seems to be a way forward! 💪
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@mbirth@social.mbirth.uk 2025-06-22 19:13
@kytta "Sorry, we could not verify it" Translation: Sorry, our StreetView images from 10 years ago have the signs blocked by lorries or coaches and thus we assume you’re a lying bastard. Because people lie about one-way streets all the time.
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@BGMcKay@mastodon.world 2025-06-22 18:11
@kytta I use Waze most of the time as it has user driven traffic info. I've been told GMaps uses that data as well.
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@earthtoneone@mstdn.social 2025-06-22 18:11
@kytta Heh. It took over a decade to convince Google my neighborhood has a back entrance so it finally started navigating us that way... by which time a new business had opened, so we now avoided that intersection 🙃 I've started using the Street Complete app to contribute OSM data, but I haven't had much luck with using the maps myself.
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@Thorium@social.linux.pizza 2025-06-22 18:08
@kytta Do no evil 🙄
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@bhoutlook@mstdn.ca 2025-06-22 18:04
@kytta #AI¡caramba!
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@ppezziardi@amicale.net 2025-06-22 17:24
@kytta if true, openstreetmap could sue Google to release all their maps database, as an enforcement of OdBL.. ;)
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@guigsy@mstdn.social 2025-06-22 17:12
@kytta I think Google Maps had a massive dip in quality a couple of years ago. The area around my house was revised and now there are a lot of mistakes, particularly with bike and walk routing. The voice guidance while driving seems really bad too. It doesn't reflect the wording on the signs anymore and it's frequently confused. Sending on fixes doesn't change anything. My personal conspiracy theory is they've switched to using AI to process their streetview data and fired all the staff.
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@JizzelEtBass@kolektiva.social 2025-06-22 17:07
@kytta Ghat will help me too, Good to know! #OpenStreetMaps
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@temporalthought@infosec.exchange 2025-06-22 16:11
@kytta in a way, it's like having your patches merged upstream .^ i went straight to osm too when i needed to move a coffee shop in Grab maps
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@googlycoffeemea@urusai.social 2025-06-22 15:42
@kytta I am not even remotely surprised that Google steals from OSM :ThumbsUp:
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@lokjo@mapstodon.space 2025-06-22 15:34
@kytta Maybe try our map, it uses openstreetmap data and might be quicker to adapt the corrections. :)
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@sabinehiller@mastodon.ie 2025-06-22 15:34
@kytta Had suspected this before 🤔... but shocking to see such clear evidence! As a regular OSM contributor it pisses me off no end 🤮😡
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@oxidand@techhub.social 2025-06-22 15:29
@kytta Setting aside the fact that Google Maps are terrible for navigation (it's basically only useful as a company catalogue with a map view), why are cars driving the wrong way? Are there no road signs? I understand that it can be inconvenient when a map directs you onto a road that you cannot drive on, but drivers should at least have the cognitive ability to interpret road signs - that's why driver's exams exist, after all.
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@nkar@mastodon.social 2025-06-22 15:24
@kytta Thank you for posting. I edit open-source map, download live update and I am done!
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@msh@coales.co 2025-06-22 15:11
@kytta Google Maps, for navigation purposes, is now probably the worst in the industry. Everything Google does is done poorly TBH. In the case of Google Maps it seems bow to be a mishmash of OSM and other Free/open sources of data (municipality maps etc) and AI/ML scanned satellite imagery. At various points I have seen creekbeds and the ridges along cliffs/bluffs identified as trails and roads, probably because of the latter. And, yeah, Google doesn't care. Google cares about nothing really...except shareholder returns, maybe, but probably barely.
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@Soozcat@vmst.io 2025-06-22 15:08
@kytta Back before I knew better, I used to contribute to Google Maps. I solely contribute to openstreetmap now, and they're getting a much better dataset about my favorite stomping grounds than Google has managed to beg, steal, borrow and collate.
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@Quinn9282@mas.to 2025-06-22 15:07
@kytta There was a weird problem I noticed on Google Maps earlier this year where a major arterial road in my city somehow got renamed to "x" (yes, literally just the letter x). I have no idea how that happened. I reported the change, and it did get reverted to the correct name later on (though I don't know if my report actually had any bearing on the issue getting fixed or not).
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@BackFromTheDud@mas.to 2025-06-22 15:01
@kytta #FuckGoogle
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@oldguycrusty@mastodon.world 2025-06-22 15:01
@kytta " ... as it regularly does.."
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@freediverx@mastodon.social 2025-06-22 14:43
@kytta Every successful Google product other than search was based on stolen IP.
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@crazyeddie@mastodon.social 2025-06-22 14:36
@kytta LOL!!! Busted! "We make the world go round" :p
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@b_age@troet.cafe 2025-06-22 14:34
@kytta doesn't seem to work here, where google marks (part of a) street falsely as one way, which i tried to correct several times, but OpenStreetMaps doesn't. they have it correct since ever and google never sees a need to steal it :-/
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@Strabisme@toot.aquilenet.fr 2025-06-22 14:33
@kytta I had no idea Gmaps stole the data from open street map 💀
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@trainguyrom@techhub.social 2025-06-22 14:26
@kytta I did something similar. Some years ago I lived in an apartment building at the end of a cul-de-sac. The mature trees obscured the true length of the road from satellite view so all maps considered the road to end about 40 feet sooner than it actually does (and delivery services would frequently follow GPS and stop at the wrong place then call and say they can't find the building) I extended the road to match reality in OSM and observed Maps quickly updated to include the correct road length too. I never had a delivery driver fail to come to my door after that change
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@krutonium@social.treehouse.systems 2025-06-22 13:51
@kytta So what you're saying is someone should update OpenStreetMaps when a bridge has been missing for 10 years instead of trying to get Google to realize there is no bridge for 10 years.