@BrentToderian@mastodon.online
2024-07-10 05:44 UTC
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@dolmen@mamot.fr 2024-07-10 06:29
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online Also reduced noise in cities.
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@simon2k6@mastodon.nz 2024-07-10 06:58
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online Is there a mirror for this? The website appears to be slammed 😢
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@osma@mas.to 2024-07-10 07:36
That link is slow or unreachable. Here's the study (preprint) https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/16/11/4382 @BrentToderian@mastodon.online
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@3dmac@mastodon.art 2024-07-10 08:55
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online sadly in New Zealand we have a bunch of conservative twats in charge and intent on reversing the previous Govt’s speed limit reductions, even around schools
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@sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online 2024-07-10 10:18
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online I wonder what drives the objections to it. Where I live, almost all the small towns and villages now have 30km/h (20mph) limits. Of the two that don't, one has an extreme double bend and the other has an impressive collection of potholes to slow traffic. I've not heard any complaint about the speed limits (the potholes, OTOH...). This is in a community that vehemently resists diktats from That Paris!
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@gruber@mastodon.social 2024-07-12 19:15
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online That's a great link, thanks for sending it. But you misinterpret my politics on this. I'm staunchly in favor of slow speed limits in cities and towns, and believe they're best enforced through pedestrian-first road and intersection designs. E.g.: https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/street-design-elements/curb-extensions/
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@petrescatraian@libranet.de 2024-07-16 06:39
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online B...b...but... Muh car can fuel efficiency only if vroom-vroom and no stop!
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@serial@urbanists.social 2024-07-16 06:56
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online While many studies show benefits to 30 km/h speed limits, I would take the study's findings with a large grain of salt. This is published in Sustainability. The article has not been properly peer reviewed. When someone publishes in Sustainability it's a big red flag. Direct link to article: https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/16/11/4382 I'll dive into one example of the problem with the paper/data - Paris.
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@blabberlicious@toot.community 2024-07-16 07:07
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online @afewbugs@social.coop Stage two: enforce the speed limit. In London, I have yet to see a single driver being ticketed for speeding on resididntal roads. Does not happen.
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@blabberlicious@toot.community 2024-07-16 07:09
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online If you want some unwarranted abuse, try waving at them to slow down.
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@gw6kwm@toot.wales 2024-07-16 09:17
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online My fuel consumption has increased by 20%, this may work in somewhere flat.
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@sellathechemist@mastodon.social 2024-07-16 10:33
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online And people here void their bowels over the suggestion of 20 mph in urban areas…
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@emon@h4.io 2024-07-16 11:37
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online Poke @bonpoteofficiel@mamot.fr just in case
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@reini@chaos.social 2024-07-16 13:00
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online Yes, that is totally plausible. It would be a great idea to implement this generally, which would mean any settlement which is regulated this way by traffic signs. For example, make german yellow signs generally say 30 km/h instead of 50 km/h. Villages (up to max size 8-) will greatly profit from this.
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@qgustavor@urusai.social 2024-07-16 14:55
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online One thing is not clear at all unless you go to the paper and read it: the previous speed in many of the studied cases was 50 km/h. Why that's important: of course reducing speed will reduce crashes, but at which point reducing is not worthy? If it was a reduction from 90 to 30, it would look worthless, would be really small percentages for a big 67% speed reduction. But for a 40% reduction that's still good. My city reduced speeds from 60 to 40 in some areas, a 33% speed reduction, and achieved a 80% reduction of road crashes. Despite that, many people are trying to propose an increase from 40 to 50, mostly store owners that are claiming that speed reduction moved customers away from those areas.
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@matt@proud.social 2024-07-16 16:24
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online Reduced road noise and enhanced safety for young (and I do mean young) children walking to school are super material benefits. I live next to some 30 km/h zones and am so appreciative of them.
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@ruurd@mastodon.social 2024-07-16 20:04
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online good. Now start working on decreasing the speed and weight of all the idiotic contraptions with motors that are calle bicycles. They are dangerous. 15km/h seems quite a good maximum. In addition cap the weight of a bicycle to 20kg maximum and forbid bakfietsen, pedelecs, fatbikes and all other variants.
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@js@mastodon.nl 2024-07-16 20:57
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online so… what if we raise the bar further, with a maximum speed of 15km/h?
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@DrDewott@expressional.social 2024-07-17 21:29
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online God yes. We need more 30km/h speed limits. The cyclist federation of Denmark (Cyklistforbundet) recently started a petition for a nationwide 30km/h urban speed limit proposal. Sadly it seems quite widely opposed. Even by the Danish road safety council (Rådet for sikker trafik), though this sadly isn't a big surprise. The council loves to throw victim blaming rather than fix systemic issues like bad street design. Not helped by the fact that the leader and much of the staff in the council formerly worked for the Police, and in Denmark the police has a veto right to all changes in road design. They've opposed a plethora of speed reductions and traffic calming, including in my home town on stupid grounds, like "Slow downs being unsafe cause they make bumper to bumper crashes more likely". It is absurd!
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@Ronnierobins@mastodon.ie 2024-09-15 10:48
@BrentToderian@mastodon.online the problem we have in Ireland is it doesn't matter what the road sign says, it will mostly be ignored and it will most definitely not be policed