@PermaSolarPotter@mastodon.green
Post #1242939
2025-10-29 14:15 UTC
Replies (10)
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@carapace@mastodon.social 2025-10-29 14:30
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening I sometimes think in terms of "Minimum Viable Civilization" or in other words, what's the "unit" of civilization? And it seems that the village or neighborhood is the smallest "unit". E.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Homes
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@badbede@deacon.social 2025-10-29 14:40
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening The most important thing in my opinion is developing the know-how and skills to be self-sufficient. Whether you are entirely closed loop or not is not as important.
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@ubi@ecoevo.social 2025-10-29 15:38
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening One problem with Permaculture is that it often occurs in isolation on a social level. I don't think it's easy for single family to achieve a closed-loop Permaculture system. It might be feasible with small community farms. Even then, you need to get inputs and other things that you can't manufacture from outside your system. But perfect is the enemy of done. Better to try at least something and move the discussion forward than not doing anything.
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@PrPl@todon.eu 2025-10-29 16:36
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening Just keep doing however much you can no matter how small the progress, it's all good. Pretty commendable that you have started 💪
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@kitten_tech@fosstodon.org 2025-10-29 19:43
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening there's some economies of scale, that make it easier to do more with less if you can muck in with neighbours - IF you have suitable neighbours!
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@MostlyTato@mstdn.social 2025-10-30 07:38
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening For me it's not about being self sufficient. That would be wonderful but it's an unrealistic goal. It's about basic principles: "start where you are, use what you have, do what you can." - Arthur Ashe.
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@Zatarra@mastodon.nl 2025-11-04 06:52
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening @Broadfork I dreamed of closed loop aka harmony with nature aka independence. But I surrendered long ago to the idea that it will remain a dream. I consider myself strapped myself to a giant madman (our society) and know that its fate is mine. Amazed and thankful for every additional second that it lasts. I'm now dedicated to supporting it, making it a little more just, even though I cannot see how it can possibly sustain.
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@econads@mendeddrum.org 2025-11-22 08:10
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening so on my allotment I'm one of very few people who composts, my neighbour is very much against, being convinced it creates weeds and having (legitimate!) problems with the smell when I was still getting the balance right. I think a breakthrough came when she realised she could give me her tree cuttings instead of driving it all the to green waste. She was very happy and I think I'm making progress. The other thing I've got is a demonstration bed with one side normal earth and the other side no dig compost - the Zucchinis on the compost side were more than twice the size of the earth ones and I could show how much easier it is to water compost, the water doesn't sit on the soil. I'm considering starting econads green waste service as a joke to get compost materials.
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@danbrotherston@types.pl 2026-04-13 04:44
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening why is your goal to become a subsistence farmer?
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@Tobes@social.zkd.id 2026-04-13 13:56
@PermaSolarPotter @gardening It depends where you are, I think sadly we can’t do it all from home, rice, and other exotic foods can’t be grown where I am based, but I have a commercial polytunnel and when we get on the case, in the Dordogne we can indeed produce enough vegetables and of course then cook and store in jars to get through the winter! Without lots of animals we can’t do dairy etc, but I had a beehive and one hive on a good season can produce a lot of honey, two would likely be enough for a year if you didn’t go crazy. Chickens are wonderful and keep laying eggs. We could survive without the shops here in the Dordogne if we just relied on local farms. But the modern world and supermarkets are a fortunate thing to have ✌️