Post #977019
2023-04-28 20:11 UTC
Replies (38)
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@david1@mastodon.world 2023-04-28 20:14
@mmasnick Prediction: Elon would buy any Twitter alternative that becomes too popular. This is how tech companies prevent competition e.g. Microsoft buying Activision.
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@daviomac@sfba.social 2023-04-28 20:28
@mmasnick Sigh. I kind of miss the socials I had on Twitter, but I refuse to buy into the new regime by rejoining
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@Dwmiller18@mas.to 2023-04-28 20:36
@mmasnick thanks for writing that. I saw some buzz over Bluesky recently and you cleared up some of the parts that I found confusing.
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@uthne@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 20:38
@mmasnick Norwegian police are leaving after providing updates since 2011 on Twitter. Rumors have it they are setting up a Mastodon instance.
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@neonbubble@mstdn.social 2023-04-28 20:42
@mmasnick "It’s uncanny that one guy could be so bad at this" feels like a phrase that should be attached to everything written about Elon from now on. His business cards should have that on it just to set expectations and save time for any new people he meets.
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@gpollara@med-mastodon.com 2023-04-28 20:49
@mmasnick Thought that was a very enjoyable, well written and balanced article, nice one.
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@RufusJCooter@mstdn.social 2023-04-28 21:02
@mmasnick Great write-up! I guess the one quibble I have is that I'm probably going to be more skeptical of BlueSky until we see exactly how the mechanics of blocking, federation, and defederation work in practice. The devil, after all, is in the details...
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@evan@cosocial.ca 2023-04-28 21:04
@mmasnick you don't really talk about governance. One of these is an open standard developed and supported by the W3C, with dozens of implementations. The others are house protocols, created and controlled by a single entity, with one implementation. I like to hear that BS is downplaying their snowflake protocol. I hope they switch over to ActivityPub soon. Thanks for the good article!
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@chops@redchops.com 2023-04-28 21:25
@mmasnick I think I may become interested in Bluesky more when they have federation sorted and I can self-host. These days I'm strictly not interested in yet another VC-funded platform with a board that has a need to monetize. Community is obviously an important aspect to many, but I was never able to find one on Twitter, so Twitter2 isn't very attractive.
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@Shachihoko@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 21:34
@mmasnick Huh. This is a good article, and it does take some of the steam out of my Bluesky snark (particularly the fact that the current terms of service are subject to extensive revision). Reposting the link for others to see (without pulling up the thread): https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/28/six-months-in-thoughts-on-the-current-post-twitter-diaspora-options/
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@KelsonV@wandering.shop 2023-04-28 21:39
@mmasnick I'm also impressed by all the development activity on top of Nostr. I just wish it wasn't so thoroughly dominated by cryptocurrency enthusiasts. In my testing so far, most of the accounts I've found that looked interesting to follow...are bridged from the Fediverse. If I were moving over there, great! But since I'm here anyway...? I'm hoping that will change if more non-bitcoin-people join, but I suspect there's going to be an awful lot of cryptocurrency-only features.
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@RobotSausage@mstdn.ca 2023-04-28 21:41
@mmasnick If it weren't for posts like this on Mastodon, I would continue to forget that twitter still existed.
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@podkaynelives@universeodon.com 2023-04-28 21:44
@mmasnick Excellent overview, Mike. I especially liked this description of a decentralized system: "[It] avoids the possibility of one random jackass controlling everything." With that in mind, happy first anniversary to this quote by Dorsey, who helped fund Elon's purchase of Twitter: "Elon is the singular solution I trust,” Dorsey wrote in late April. “I trust his mission to extend the light of consciousness.”
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@dtgeek@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 21:53
@mmasnick nice article. I'd add to the long-term options: - A "Chromebook" version of Mastodon, i.e. a non-techie, user-friendly version of Mastodon (a customized instance/app/etc.) that makes it appealing to the average person, who has zero interest in federation/servers/etc. Just as Chromebooks are customized-but-user-friendly Linux desktops, and became way more popular vs. Ubuntu/Linux Mint/etc. Linux/Mastodon purists wouldn't like them, but, well...
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@tchambers@indieweb.social 2023-04-28 21:57
@mmasnick This is a great and fair summary to all - am most optimistic for bridges between each becoming real and scalable…. 👍
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@cowtan@mastodon.scot 2023-04-28 21:59
@mmasnick really interesting article. Thx
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@hammancheez@c.im 2023-04-28 22:18
@mmasnick great write up Esp “no they’re not blocking screenshots” like lol. If you thought that was a serious thing for a SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM - blocking advertising their platform’s content- all I have to say is, again, ell oh ell
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@serklarvel@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 22:26
@mmasnick my problem with #bluesky is I don't trust Jack Dorsey. He gave support to Elon with #twitter and I don't want to see it repeat.
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@seanalan@newsie.social 2023-04-28 22:50
@mmasnick this is really good - so good that I wanna quote retoot it (or whatever you call it) telling my “followers” they should read it
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@jbaert@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 23:02
@mmasnick good overview, nice!
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@hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social 2023-04-28 23:18
Great article from @mmasnick breaking down the three front-runner decentralized social protocols. For anybody interested, check it out. Loved seeing shoutouts for #Calckey, and for alternative Mastodon web clients like #Phanpy. https://mastodon.social/users/mmasnick/statuses/110278258978335092 I’m still betting on #ActivityPub of course, and have tried #Nostr. I look forward to getting invited to #Bluesky at some point, and in seeing what their federation actually looks like. Until that’s in place it’s all kind of moot.
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@cd24@sfba.social 2023-04-28 23:34
@mmasnick I was glad to read about nostr here, I’ve been trying to understand it a bit better - but I still feel like I’ve missed some vital concepts. The simplicity seems useful, but it also seems that the central relay, client-driven system makes account spamming and harassment campaigns easier. To be clear, it is definitely possible to do that here in AP land. However, standing up an instance with a new domain name is more difficult than creating a new accoun, so I’m curious if the folks at nostr have put energy into mitigations for these types of coordinated, malicious, attacks… but I’ve been unsuccessful in finding any writings about it.
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@shoq@mastodon.social 2023-04-28 23:40
@mmasnick
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@mike@sauropods.win 2023-04-28 23:46
@mmasnick I'm not 100% sure I'm following your article, and the Wikipedia page on Nostr isn't helpful, but: is this peer-to-peer?
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@draudreyglover@mstdn.social 2023-04-29 00:15
@mmasnick I have become more a fan of Mastodon since using Elk, and find interacting on here feels more normal than Twitter
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@gingerspeckle@mindly.social 2023-04-29 00:33
@mmasnick Great article, Mike. I agree with your point about the lack of an algorithm. I'm not sure why there's such pushback on this. No one wants Twitter again but what's wrong with an openly defined spec or as a user selected plug-in or configurable system. I would definitely like more control on the prioritization of my stream.
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@mrhames@mastodon.social 2023-04-29 01:00
@mmasnick Thanks for all you do.
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@DavidBlue@mastodon.social 2023-04-29 01:25
@mmasnick aahhhhhh Mike. I don't wanna pick on you but citing Jay's Medium post as the *definitive* exploration of decentralized social is... in urgent need of revision. this is the one on my mind (because I found it yesterday) - and I know academia isn't really in-scope for the dirty boyz - but ... https://dr.amy.gy
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@5K311370N@twit.social 2023-04-29 01:37
@mmasnick it's only been 6 months?!
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@troed@ioc.exchange 2023-04-29 07:48
@mmasnick Thank you! You've changed my opinion on #BlueSky with this post. Also, maybe you intended for this to be the obvious conclusion of your own, and if it was I agree. It won't matter if we use BlueSky, #Mastodon or #nostr in the end. Content will mostly federate freely inbetween the protocols. As an example: If people ask me if I'm still on #IRC the answer is "yes", although for me IRC channels are just additional #Matrix rooms nowadays.
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@msgbi@mastodon.social 2023-04-29 08:54
@mmasnick @Ginger149 @charles_ex
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@mike@flipboard.social 2023-04-29 09:03
@mmasnick excellent summary. The pace of progress over the past 6 months has been very fast and it is still accelerating. So much more to come this year.
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@Cali@infosec.exchange 2023-04-29 09:14
@mmasnick great article
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@mildlyoppugnant@aus.social 2023-04-29 09:20
@mmasnick Good read. Ty. Food fir thought
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@rrees@mastodon.social 2023-04-29 10:37
@mmasnick great piece, I enjoyed reading a more measured overview of the bigger picture
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@m@martinh.net 2023-04-29 10:46
@mmasnick The BS "you automatically keep a copy of your data" thing is a great example of a new idea that seems obvious in retrospect, with the added benefit of being immediately familiar to POP/IMAP users. Feels like it could readily be retrofitted to ActivityPub clients, too, or least those running on more capable hardware 😉
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@KhunKai@stranger.social 2023-04-29 11:38
@mmasnick I am actually very happy Musk took over Twitter. I had planned to close down my account for some time, and he helped me to decide. Byebye. #twitter #elonmusk #twitterexodus #twittercesspool
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@BduzBoop@mstdn.social 2023-04-29 13:26
@mmasnick I joined bluesky and although it makes me laugh at times, and a few of my follows that got confused here and gave it up, went there. It still feels like less engagement, which again for me very twitter like. Post feels like 'important' people talking to other 'important' people. All in all, my diverse interests have led to a everything scattered, and I have to give those up or check 4 different places. sigh