Post #928396
2026-04-04 16:35 UTC
Replies (23)
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@felix@wandering.shop 2026-04-04 18:15
@elizayer You gave me an idea: maybe it's because writing code is still seen as this mystical dark art that needs to be wrestled from the hands of those creepy wizards, pardon, programmers. A magic mirror on the wall that never says "you can't do that" is just the thing.
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@Aedius@lavraievie.social 2026-04-04 19:11
@elizayer The good news is : Open source maintainers see an increase in the quality of AI security tools, it will soon be in the hands of the bad actors. Then it will be mandatory to do good software and ( i will make the leap of faith that ) you have to understand the business needs to create a simple software that handle the issues.
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@cap_ybarra@beige.party 2026-04-04 19:33
@elizayer this has never been about quality and only about the business class trying to free themselves from those damned uppity engineers
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@mroach@ublog.mroach.com 2026-04-04 20:02
@elizayer Exactly! I’ve been trying to explain to people, especially those pushing AI at work, that writing code is not the hard part of my job. Identifying the real-world problems and designing solutions that are as minimalist and simple as possible are the hard parts. The code is an implementation detail.
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@spazcosoft@peoplemaking.games 2026-04-04 21:00
@elizayer to be 100% completely super fair, we are seeing a massive increase in scams. So AI is good for something. Scams. It’s good for scams.
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@kirakira@furry.engineer 2026-04-04 22:51
@elizayer i think about this. according to the promises, all the little snags and bugs and oversights in all the software i use should be gone by now. "everyone's focusing on bigger things" doesn't excuse it, i was given the expectation these types of fixes should have been trivial and quick. computing should be better than ever, or at least as good as it was in the 2010s
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@wbftw@hachyderm.io 2026-04-05 01:14
@elizayer yes, this. Code creation hasn’t been an issue for a long, long, long time. See “no silver bullet” (https://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks_1986_-_No_Silver_Bullet.pdf) written in *1986*.
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@GuitarSith@fosstodon.org 2026-04-05 04:34
@elizayer Almost all of the code written by the major software companies since the late 80’s has been bloatware. Especially operating systems. The days when programming was an art and minimizing resource usage was the primary consideration are long gone. If that code is what AI and these LLM’s are being “trained” on then expect software to continue its downward spiral.
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@Nienkez@mastodon.nl 2026-04-05 09:25
@elizayer @ArtHarg AI only solves one problem: paying people wages.
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@cigitalgem@sigmoid.social 2026-04-05 12:03
@elizayer workaday devs are serfs. Software architects are more crucial than ever. Architects emerge from jr devs through apprenticeship. Go.
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@seindal@mastodon.uno 2026-04-05 12:30
@elizayer The problem AI is meant to solve is wages. They don't care if quality sucks, if they can avoid paying wages.
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@goleztrol@mastodon.social 2026-04-05 12:33
@elizayer WAS not the problem. 🫠
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@Centretowner@urbanists.social 2026-04-05 12:50
@elizayer I had been looking at a reply to another post in your thread, I was trying to square my agreement with the anti-AI-fad sentiment with the fact that I don't want to bring telephone switchboard operators back. This gets right at it, thank you!
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@eyesquash@mastodon.world 2026-04-05 13:46
@elizayer It's yet another attempt to make coding work for folks who lack logical rigor, by adding another layer of abstraction. The results are predictable.
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@bytebro@mastodonapp.uk 2026-04-05 16:58
@elizayer It started with visual entertainment, say movies - basically no-one makes new films any more, because the VC suits won't fund it. So everyone does remakes of "shit that worked last time". Now, the same thing is happening to software. Counter-examples of course exist in the FOSS world.
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@yth@mstdn.social 2026-04-05 18:44
@elizayer I think of LLM’s as pattern re-use; applying learned patterns from old data to new situations. Good for menial tasks that are too boring for humans, but not for coming up with radical new things.
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@dpp@mastodon.social 2026-04-05 20:29
@elizayer @hbons give me some time. I’ve only been using LLMs to code for a few months… so far I’ve only managed to write an operating system https://codeberg.org/dpp/meows A new scripting language https://codeberg.org/dpp/meowscript An eBPF to FPGA converter https://codeberg.org/dpp/lycaon And some misc utils But this is weekend work
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@Turre@mementomori.social 2026-04-06 15:07
@elizayer There's the expression of resonating strongly with something, in this case the rumble from the resonation is deafening. 🫨 We have a really small team at work, with widely varying levels of experience. In this team I've been the firehose that produces more code than anybody can review, if just left to my devices like in the olden days. These days, with the introduction of mandated reviews and sprints and whatnot, I spend maybe a week having fun coding and then couple of weeks spinning wheels and getting bored and frustrated while waiting for reviews. And now they're starting to *mandate* use of AI agents for work "to accelerate" *wild handwaving* everything. For deitys sake. I suppose their vision of the workflow is for the humans to describe what they want, have AI generate the code and then the human can review it by themselves. It does change the review dynamics for sure, but it doesn't remove the bottleneck - it would still be review, just going even slower because the human is now required to understand the random slop generated by a thing that doesn't think in the process of creation. Vitally, it also eliminates the sanity check of another human being in the loop. We all sometimes get carried away and lose perspective, and it takes another person boggling at your creation from a distance, "what the heck are you trying to accomplish here?" 😄 Finally, that workflow would also eliminate the single item I actually care about my work: lovingly crafting and carving code. I will not be sitting around reviewing AI slop for the rest of my career.
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@daisE@sfba.social 2026-04-07 08:22
@elizayer yes, thank you for pointing that out and let me add: ...and never was. When I studied Computer Science about 30 years ago, all the old professors already told us it's not about writing code. There will always be someone somewhere who does it faster and cheaper. This is nothing you need to study. A good (...) and secure design is the thing to learn. The programming is not the point... To bad the marketing guys got in charge for leading the IT...
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@gusseting@mastodon.social 2026-04-07 13:06
@decryption saw this + thought of you...
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@dneary@mastodon.ie 2026-04-07 13:48
@elizayer@mastodon.social How would you know if we were?
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@ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu 2026-04-07 13:50
@elizayer@mastodon.social But because of these people, code creation is sure as hell becoming a problem...
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@lkanies@hachyderm.io 2026-04-07 14:09
@elizayer@mastodon.social @vaurora@mstdn.social I am actually seeing wildly improving software all around, but so far it’s exclusively non-devs using ai to build tools for themselves. I don’t know if that will ever translate into widely shared production software, but I think it’s notable.