Post #723273
2026-03-21 02:04 UTC
Replies (17)
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@Joshsharp@aus.social 2026-03-21 02:05
My dude, if there are obvious moral and ethical implications, how are you able to "put them aside" so easily? I just don't get it
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@fn0rd@mastodon.social 2026-03-21 03:16
@Joshsharp This is almost word for word what my boss told me today, except replace "I'm interested in" with "you better start". Part of why this tactic is successful (certainly in my case) is that the job market makes "screw you then, I quit" not a viable alternative.
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@bstacey@icosahedron.website 2026-03-21 03:43
@Joshsharp "Putting aside the moral and ethical implications, don't you think I'd look hot wearing these conflict diamonds?"
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@hypostase@bsd.network 2026-03-21 03:44
@Joshsharp maybe it’s about trying to find where to draw a line about morals and ethics in capitalism. I’d argue that there have been no moral or ethical roles in corporate tech for decades, and anyone claiming there are is already compromised. I make no claims about my own complicity or lack thereof this millennium.
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@RnDanger@infosec.exchange 2026-03-21 03:48
@Joshsharp I have said this, but it was sardonic
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@paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange 2026-03-21 03:53
@Joshsharp "but other than that, mrs lincoln, how was the play?"
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@Cheeseness@mastodon.social 2026-03-21 04:03
@Joshsharp I find it deeply disappointing too, especially when I see it coming from people who are in control of their own working conditions. Sometimes I think the intent is to find a way of engaging with people who clearly do not subscribe to those moral and ethical concerns (you'll never convince someone who doesn't care about the environmental impact to see the environmental impact as a dealbreaker) in order to convey that there are still insurmountable problems/shortcomings
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@Gurkenglas@toot.community 2026-03-21 04:06
@Joshsharp reminds me of my friends who care about animal welfare but do research on health impacts of different diets "Putting aside the obvious moral and ethical implications of eating animals, I'm interested in evaluating whether non-vegan products like meat could be useful for my health."
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@tom@subdued.social 2026-03-21 04:14
@Joshsharp What that literally means is, "I don't care that LLMs are obviously immoral and unethical, I want to use them anyway if they can be useful in my work."
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@tuban_muzuru@beige.party 2026-03-21 04:20
@Joshsharp Any paragraph which starts with "Like" is inevitably a cheap shot.
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@Iveyline@mastodon.nz 2026-03-21 04:35
@Joshsharp Well said!
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@aatch@mastodon.nz 2026-03-21 04:46
@Joshsharp if I say that, it's generally to point out that they're also bad in other ways while acknowledging that I know about the moral and ethical concerns. Sort of like "even if you're a sociopath you shouldn't be using these".
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@rl_dane@polymaths.social 2026-03-21 04:51
@Joshsharp s/A.I./slavery/g in my mind, always and forever. Same kind of exploitation, just less direct.
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@StOnSoftware@mastodon.social 2026-03-21 05:36
@Joshsharp computers make copying near-free. LLMs are just another step in that. They bring no new dilemmas.
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@mahadevank@mastodon.social 2026-03-21 05:42
@Joshsharp I think those doing it(atleast here and the ones I've read), are evaluating the usefulness of the technology by itself. The point is not to throw away the ethics, but to understand if the technology is worth it at all. If so, an ethical implementation, e.g. a coding LLM that trains on and generates boilerplate can be considered.
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@oantolin@mathstodon.xyz 2026-03-21 06:01
@Joshsharp I understand that your main point is that the moral and ethical problems alone are enough to stay away from LLMs, but are you also making the secondary point that LLMs are obviously useful for people's work? I ask because in your analogy the answer is that yes, the immoral and unethical practice of breaking and entering actually would be useful for acquiring people's stuff.
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@mike805@noc.social 2026-03-21 06:08
@Joshsharp Today I needed a network diagram. I never liked drawing on a computer. It is a mindless and annoying task. Instead, I drew it roughly on paper. Then took a picture, uploaded it to Gemini, and told Gemini to make it look neat and professional. What I got back was done after one spelling correction. What are the moral and ethical implications of that? It definitely did work from a pragmatic perspective.