Post #2179071
2025-01-13 21:32 UTC
Replies (40)
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@pawsplay@dice.camp 2025-01-13 21:33
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Also, what is up with apps that just mimic the behavior of a web page? You don't need an app for that, just a catchy URL.
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@OptiplexPrime@mastodon.social 2025-01-13 21:42
@danirabbit@mastodon.online As someone in the Microsoft world for work. I hate PWAs with a passion anymore. Old outlook, almost instant, new outlook on a $3K laptop, uh... Let me think about this for 3 minutes.
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@ailepet@peoplemaking.games 2025-01-13 21:57
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I remember that take from uuh, 2023: "Better yet, let’s ditch the idea of native apps. All web! All web! All web!" (https://chriscoyier.net/2023/01/04/what-does-it-look-like-for-the-web-to-lose/) But also, in the words of @tbernard@mastodon.social, "The web fundamentally assumes a client-server paradigm no matter what you tack onto it, making it a bad fit if you care about privacy", and I agree obviously: https://mastodon.social/@tbernard/103889137148129330
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@adamrecvlohe@mastodon.social 2025-01-13 22:33
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I think web apps are relatively low cost compared to traditional apps. Maintenance I think would be less as well. For small communities, it would be a barrier and a burden to maintain traditional apps when web apps would suffice. But this may depend on how you define web app
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@art_codesmith@toot.cafe 2025-01-13 22:34
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Because a web app lets me share functionality on desktop and mobile without needing to: 1. build 3 separate apps; 2. pay Apple for the privilege of having an app on iOS; 3. *still* deal with server and API stuff because I want the shared data.
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@DopeGhoti@infosec.exchange 2025-01-13 23:17
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I could not agree with you more. Making every application into a damnable web site has done nothing beyond make everything look samey, and work more poorly but at least the web "version" looks familiar.
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@obscurestar@mastodon.social 2025-01-13 23:40
@danirabbit@mastodon.online IDK. I get raged by all the apps that are nothing but a local copy of Chrome running a webpage and exploiting your personal data in ways that the web apps aren't allowed to without informing you. (See also all google 'apps' that replace web pages)
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@lobau@noodle.social 2025-01-14 00:23
@danirabbit@mastodon.online you might be old as fuck 😜
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@alavi@techhub.social 2025-01-14 00:24
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Nope I'm very pro-webapp. Why install something directly on your system when you can just use it from your browser or a PWA? I wouldn't want to have a gazillion apps for very minor things. And also web apps are lighter, much more secure and more privacy friendly.
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@ashwin@chaotic.fun 2025-01-14 00:45
@danirabbit@mastodon.online YES! YES! So much YES! I once lost a job, because I decided to insist on this issue. They wanted an app for something that should have been just a website, just because "everyone is doing apps." Apps are a very, very bad idea in general. A stopgap in the broken web dev model.
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@zentec@infosec.exchange 2025-01-14 01:11
@danirabbit@mastodon.online You may be old as fuck, but I am older. And normally, I hold that opinion. Under certain circumstances, a web app gives a consistent experience across IOS, Android, MacOS, Linux, Windows, FreeBSD. I recently wrote an app to listen to P25 public service communication…for 40 users. Please don’t make me write an iteration of my app for six operating systems.
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@knapjack@elsewhere.cozysumo.space 2025-01-14 03:40
I am old and prefer web apps. I would prefer zero apps on my phone. I don't want some sketchy app with phone rights just to access some data that's already on the web. But I feel you. 😁
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@bignose@social.chinwag.org 2025-01-14 03:42
Completely the opposite, for me @danirabbit@mastodon.online. A web app is one written to work with the program I already know how to use: the web browser on any device I choose. I can block ads, I can use all the input affordances I already took the time to set up on my device, I can copy and paste and apply styles, I can block any horrible snoopy shit. A device-specific app? That's just a web page which is attempting to stop me from doing any of those things, and force the vendor's crappy re-implementation of the UI already well implemented in the browser. #YourAppShouldBeAWebApp
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@billseitz@toolsforthought.social 2025-01-14 03:48
@danirabbit@mastodon.online is the point that the web becomes a slippery slope from toasty-document to paper-shelled-taco to wrapped-in-shit-calzone? #CubeRule
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@Salvo@mastodon.social 2025-01-14 03:55
@danirabbit@mastodon.online @briankrebs@infosec.exchange Steve Jobs “Sweet Solution” has left us with a bitter taste.
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@Archergal@wandering.shop 2025-01-14 03:58
@danirabbit@mastodon.online @ksonney@redwombat.social AMEN!!! When I click on an Audible link, Safari, DO NOT send me to an Audible web app! Just go to the damn web page. Jeezopete.
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@darthsandwich@mastodon.social 2025-01-14 04:00
@danirabbit@mastodon.online In the 90s I took a college class on assembly language that was taught from the perspective of how C code was compiled to asm (was incredibly revealing and permanently altered how I modeled machine behavior in my mind). I am afraid of how many machine instructions are used to perform the simplest of tasks with "web apps"
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@rafaelperez@mastodon.acm.org 2025-01-14 04:05
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Why don't you want to use web apps?
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@jimvernon@techhub.social 2025-01-14 05:22
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Funny, I'd rather use a website than an app in most cases. Nothing to install. Adblocker works without any hassle. No persistent presence on my phone.
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@Unsightly3055@universeodon.com 2025-01-14 05:24
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I have some counterpoints: 1. webapps can fill a gap where there is no other option. 2. webapps can be better than their native equivalent. 2a. webapps can be more streamlined with less extra BS (I'm talking about less bloat in terms of features which some may argue is a downside). 3. webapps are pushing what can be done in/by browsers. Not having them isn't going to change tracking. 4. many "apps" are just Chrome with a native interface. 5. native apps are arguably more of a catfish for tracking data than websites or webapps, you just can't tell because you can't profile what they're doing. 6. maybe the most simple one, I personally like the ability to eliminate the browser chrome and make a page a first class citizen on my OS. 7. from a development perspective, going web native could be a boon depending on what your app does. I think that ties back into pushing the boundaries of browsers as well.
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@Michaels@mas.to 2025-01-14 05:54
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Just use the Brave browser for increased privacy. Web apps are just apps that bypass the app store. Most apps track you even when you're not using them.
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@fossilite@fosstodon.org 2025-01-14 06:05
@danirabbit@mastodon.onlinei more user control and choice with webappz, plus you're not pigeonholed into a proprietary dev tool hell.
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@sn@mastodon.ping.de 2025-01-14 06:59
@danirabbit@mastodon.online well it looks like it's not going to happen (which is great, in particular for a11y)
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@ccozianu@mastodon.social 2025-01-14 07:44
@danirabbit@mastodon.online "Maybe I’m old ..." Nah, I saw you have a tiktok account so you're just bragging. But seriously, as a user I am not installing anything on my phones. As a developer I am only installing SDKs, IDEs and 4 browsers on my laptops.
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@slashtab@defcon.social 2025-01-14 10:32
@danirabbit@mastodon.online There should be more web apps. Most of the horrible and surveillance companies makes it impossible to have good experience on browser intentionally to make you download their app, enabling them to harvest more data on you. For the browser you need to choose better one which can block ads and tracker.
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@akivalue@social.lol 2025-01-14 12:07
@danirabbit@mastodon.online why being tracked in an mobile app is better than being tracked by a spyware-bloated web-app? I think the problem is the disproportion between the service an app (be it web or mobile) provides and the trackers it has. why on earth do I need to grant some1 permissions to read my SMS messages when all I need is a recommendation for a restaurant? IMHO it's not so much about where we're being tracked by but rather about justification for it
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@SkylerHandler@woof.group 2025-01-14 12:15
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I miss when Programmers' were called such because they made programs
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@georgebmillion_com@mastodon.social 2025-01-14 14:44
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I agree... I enjoy static html with limited js
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@mpanhans@social.librem.one 2025-01-14 15:02
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Yelp fully blocks me from using their site on a mobile browser, you get a pop up to open the app and no alternative way forward. I don't want their app. And I also don't get why they do that.
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@fnordius@muenchen.social 2025-01-14 16:12
@danirabbit@mastodon.online as someone who used to write Flash apps, I am wondering what you're railing against. Is it acting as if web apps are equal to local code? Fully agree. But sometimes I want to access stuff on the browser, and that's when I use a web app. But they never get installed. That's just a lie we frontend devs tell ourselves. They shouldn't be installed, just used as a temporary tool.
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@blastoise@infosec.exchange 2025-01-14 18:47
@danirabbit@mastodon.online I feel the opposite way tbh. I don't want anything sensitive on my phone. My computer is much more robust.
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@rileytaylor@hachyderm.io 2025-01-14 20:40
@danirabbit@mastodon.online If I'm using something often enough I'm always going to want a native app. All these electron apps and overbuilt SPAs are a huge UX dilemma. And don't get me started on all these web apps using material design... Cool, thanks, let me just rewire my brain to find that thing in your app which operates 100% the opposite of everything else on my screen in the OS's design pattern. A well built site can avoid these issues, even if it does a lot of "App" stuff. Adhering to accessibility patterns, semantic html/css over custom nonsense, and a light touch of PWA tooling tends to make a site look and behave in a more OS-neutral manner anyway. But that's so rare.
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@almad@fosstodon.org 2025-01-14 21:06
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Well, yes, but web apps are still the freest of mobile platforms, unfortunately
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@AndrewHacks@mastodon.social 2025-01-14 23:26
@danirabbit@mastodon.online as a solo developer, I'm very happy I can build for one platform with a web app. I built a video editing app that works no matter the OS, and is even passable on phones. I wouldn't have even tried if I had to write a separate app for osx and windows (and Linux since that's what I use), let alone mobile. Of course, I still agree with the general enshittification problems on the web.
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@armadsen@mastodon.social 2025-01-15 18:01
@danirabbit@mastodon.online @marioguzman@mastodon.social I've said it many, many times, but I've never used a web app that was actually good. I've used some that are good compared to other web apps, but that's an *extremely* low bar. Google Sheets/Docs/Slides is of course the floor, but the ceiling is extremely low too.
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@IceWolf@masto.brightfur.net 2025-01-16 17:38
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Give us a GUI toolkit that's actually usable, and then we'll talk...
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@john@cleary.au 2025-01-18 01:04
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Amen to this! Bonus points if it works without an internet connection!
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@contrapunctus@fe.disroot.org 2025-11-04 08:49
@danirabbit@mastodon.online Maybe I’m old as fuck inspired by old as fuck people like Alan Kay, but websites being documents was a mistake. 🙃 The most general kind of document is a program. The web should have been a platform to allow anyone to create and publish applications (which includes documents), and browsers should have been virtual machines which run these untrusted applications in a sandboxed environment. Alan Kay - Normal Considered Harmful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmTSpJU-Xc cc’ing @hayley@social.applied-langua.ge and @Gnuxie@social.applied-langua.ge who are working on something like that - Utena: A system to fulfil my desire for maximalist computing https://applied-langua.ge/~gnuxie/posts/utena-introduction.html Utena: Draft Specification of a Maximalist Computing System https://cal-coop.gitlab.io/utena/utena-specification/main.pdf
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@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt 2025-11-04 09:17
@danirabbit@mastodon.online blame microsoft windows convoluted ecosystem and constantly shifting apis and frameworks made developing desktop apps immense pain, updating them even more so I hate webapps myself, but it's all I develop these days
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@fahrni@curmudgeon.cafe 2025-11-04 15:37
@danirabbit@mastodon.online YES!