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Post #2097473

2026-05-06 16:38 UTC

This is *brutal*... "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember." https://www.stvn.sh/writing/programming-still-sucks-fqffhyp

Replies (22)

  • @AimeeMaroux@mastodon.social 2026-05-07 00:18

    @llorenzin@infosec.exchange They cut off the lowest rungs for so many career paths, not just programming. I see it in writing as well. 😔

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  • @eestileib@tech.lgbt 2026-05-06 17:35

    @llorenzin Start building your local mesh now, the big services are running off the cliff...

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  • @llorenzin This has solidified something I've been thinking about for ages. The industry has absolutely weaponized our anxiety and has been using it to get things they absolutely would never get from a more stable and chill workforce. The enraging bit is that if we *were* chill and not anxiety driven the extra danger to us would be... basically nothing. Because we're worried about ghosts and empty threats that have no substance and disappear in the light of day.

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  • @johnzajac@dice.camp 2026-05-06 17:38

    @llorenzin The funny part is that the machine *doesn't* do what they do, nor is it cheaper, but the propaganda of "AI" companies is so ubiquitous that even people in a position to know better talk like the disinformation is facts. LLMs-as-coding-machines will collapse long before the long-tail impact of the short-term bullshit arrives, if only because we're already seeing the broken services and software that vibecoding produces. The real problem is COVID brain damage; that's harder to fix.

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  • @llorenzin Great. We're creating the conditions for the collapse of our computational and communications infrastructure. Let's hope the synergy with other crises doesn't get too destructive.

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  • @joerg@mastodon.bawue.social 2026-05-06 18:08

    @llorenzin been telling that quite a few folks lately. Things are going to get real ugly.

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  • @llorenzin Brutal and accurate

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  • @Diami03@infosec.exchange 2026-05-06 18:35

    @llorenzin Fuck...it hurts to hear it said out loud, but we all instinctively understand this.

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  • @jherazob@mastodon.ie 2026-05-06 18:37

    @llorenzin I see things like these and I get severe mixed feelings, on one side this shitshow is a time bomb that will cause untold damage for many, many years, but on the other I always get a bit of weird relief of "Yes, it's not just me"

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  • @stonykark@mstdn.ca 2026-05-06 18:44

    @llorenzin @msbw they've done us a favour. Now we can get real jobs.

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  • @llorenzin - I’m a Sophomore in CS, and the “Junior developer hiring is over” is saddening. The amount of effort I need to just get up to bat let alone on first base is deflating. It’s not enough to show basic competence, communication, and a capacity to learn; these days you need to have your own end-to-end software platform up and 100+ leetcode questions memorized. The system is all messed up, and the worst part is this is all unforced errors. It doesn’t have to be like this.

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  • @rowb1t@social.xenofem.me 2026-05-06 19:01

    @llorenzin in a logically-organized world this would be a good thing. instead of wasting 5+ years code-monkeying for FAGMAN or a series of shitty bay-area startups young computer scientists could pursue advanced degrees to acquire the skills to be more competent software architects and actually push the limits of what can be done, with the added bonus of filtering out annoying-ass brogrammers who are only in it for the money. as it actually exists though... (china is doing this btw.)

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  • @IAmDannyBoling@mstdn.social 2026-05-06 19:59

    @llorenzin PREACH I'm not in the biz anymore but I fear for those that are. It's not going to be pretty.

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  • @inw@mastodon.social 2026-05-06 20:25

    @llorenzin Thank you so much for sharing. Even with the dire truth in it it was a nice read. I loved the way the picture was painted so vividly.

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  • @ryanvade@mas.to 2026-05-06 20:46

    @llorenzin dang, "The CEO says AI is making his buddy Jared's team so productive he was able to fire half of them, but like, as a brag, not a threat? I dunno, I felt threatened, but that's probably just my anxiety flaring up. Surely I can borrow a xanax from one of the several employees crying in the bathroom."

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  • @Kimota94@mas.to 2026-05-06 20:50

    @llorenzin Dead on.

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  • @phf@dmv.community 2026-05-06 20:55

    @llorenzin What's funny is that f'ing Cloudflare can't keep up with the traffic to this site. So I guess they're already running 100% vibe-coded shit. 🤷 (Sadly I took no screen shot.)

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  • @MsDK12@c.im 2026-05-06 21:02

    @llorenzin what a great essay!

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  • @maestrafenix@chaos.social 2026-05-06 21:14

    @llorenzin *looks at other sectors who shredded juniors previously, like gamedev* *They are collapsing* *Starts sweating hard* You all better start saving up wikis and other knowledge sources if you haven't already, and to back up all open source programs/codebases that you can Because this sooner or later is gonna crash, and we gotta start again somewhere

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  • @elmiko@fosstodon.org 2026-05-06 21:16

    @llorenzin i keep complaining about the loss of the pipeline, but i'm just some greybeard who's probably long overdue for the firing squad. the worst part is i meet young people every day who have the same excitement and zeal that i enjoyed at the beginning of my programming days. they are curious and inquisitive about the world of computers, and the best leadership has for them is becoming prompt engineers and review farmers.

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  • @ferricoxide@blahaj.zone 2026-05-07 20:57

    @llorenzin@infosec.exchange @stevendotjs@hachyderm.io The sad thing is, they don't really replace juniors. Juniors are coachable. If a junior does something boneheaded, come time for a MR/PR review, you can point things out and teach them. Teaching an LLM doesn't really seem to be a practical thing. And, to be honest, in my time working with LLMs, I've seen more boneheaded things — both in scope and frequency — coming from them than I have junior members of the teams I'm on.

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  • @thegarbagebird@theblower.au 2026-05-06 23:39

    @llorenzin@infosec.exchange now this is how you do a lamentation

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