Post #2093467
2024-06-13 23:10 UTC
Replies (30)
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@saddestrobots@jorts.horse 2024-06-14 02:34
a lot of people on here are fans of bepis.rs
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@ireneista@adhd.irenes.space 2024-06-13 23:17
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse no, yeah. you have captured it.
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@zzt@mas.to 2024-06-13 23:20
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse just call it creat, nobody’s gonna use it outside of bell labs anyway
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@meena@cathode.church 2024-06-13 23:22
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse (also, the hole in the wall is now part of the ABI and can't be fixed either)
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@msh@coales.co 2024-06-14 00:59
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Theo is still kinda like that TBH, though he is probably more likely to just address you using an insulting nickname from this day forward than get physically destructive. Moving mountains is still generally easier than breaking ABI compatibility. But yeah apart from that particular bubble modern programming is a perpetually raging tyre fire.
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@raiderrobert@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 01:00
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse modern web programming is like: use React...have the React core team change their mind each year and then gas lights everyone into thinking, "no yeah this was always the plan."
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@Alexjgriffith@mastodon.gamedev.place 2024-06-14 01:04
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse "We're dropping this API feature as it looks like only one project relies on it." That's my project!!! Now I've got to spend a month hacking the hackiest hack
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@scottmichaud@mastodon.gamedev.place 2024-06-14 01:46
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Meanwhile, the build systems that they use.
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@CliftonR@wandering.shop 2024-06-14 01:55
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse 💯 nailed it.
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@tedward@sfba.social 2024-06-14 02:39
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Kinda makes me wonder about who invented version numbers, and when, and whether they anticipated the depth of the logical labyrinth they'd seeded.
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@gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place 2024-06-14 02:49
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse so that's why openbsd work under the "fuck backward compatibility" mentality...
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@sboots@mastodon.sboots.ca 2024-06-14 02:56
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse @chantalhebert@mastodon.world 😂😭👏
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@ralfmaximus@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 03:14
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse also "the comments contain a recipe for french onion soup passed down by my dad's grandmother that, if deleted, cause the project to stop compiling for some reason. we have investigated at length but have no idea why. possibly a segment issue. delete/modify the comments at your own risk"
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@morgant@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 03:20
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Funny and I agree with the overall sentiment, but #OpenBSD breaks ABI with every release. I don't know Theo de Raadt, so can't say whether he would punch a wall, but he would likely have responded so gruffly as to make the typoist punch a wall.
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@andymoose@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 04:11
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse woah. Version 0.0.67?? That’s bleeding edge - everyone is still on 0.0.32 ffs. Next you’ll want us to use a 0.1.x release. We are YEARS away from this people.
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@hugo@social.treehouse.systems 2024-06-14 04:28
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse
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@amy@decept.org 2024-06-14 05:10
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse My experience has been solidly the latter. You sure this isn't just webdev vs systems programming?
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@thorsummoner@ibite.lol 2024-06-14 07:10
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse modern programs have the fortunate of not being deployed on a trillion machines and mainlined in thousands of distributions too. someone said "adoption is a feature you cannot design for" and it's been breaking my heart ever since I read that
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@PChoate@mas.to 2024-06-14 07:22
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Old time programming is like being handed a stack of headerless tapes with no formats or identification. US social security file. Population level. Decades. Straight EBCDIC. Just the starters….
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@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt 2024-06-14 07:36
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse yea I'm getting way too much into JS lately, and when I looked up a library for something I got onto it's github repo, and it say'd "last release 5 years ago" and ngl that made it so much more compelling to me
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@chris@fed.chris-shaw.dev 2024-06-14 07:55
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse Theo, of course, wrote about the incident in chapter 6 of his seminal 1996 book "The Circuit Revolution". Following the depreciation of sasquatch, bepis migrated to ponk2 for parallel tokenisation. In order to upgrade to bepis 0.0.70 or later, users must also migrate from bepis-sasquatch to bepis-ponk2.
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@j0@wetdry.world 2024-06-14 07:57
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse this shit in rust has been annoying me so much lol
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@problemsdog@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 08:09
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse On a similar note https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbw5SjxFS8s
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@negative12dollarbill@techhub.social 2024-06-14 08:30
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer
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@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org 2024-06-14 10:13
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse This... Is accurate. And disturbing. Mostly disturbing, to be honest, but also very accurate.
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@cheetah_spottycat@toot.cat 2024-06-14 11:03
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWfYxg-Ypm4
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@grishka@friends.grishka.me 2024-06-14 12:50
Honestly I prefer the old-time approach. Much of modern software is a ridiculous mess of a dumpster fire.
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@elithebearded@fed.qaz.red 2024-06-14 14:27
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse In my mind the difference that really stands out is compiler friendliness. It used to be HARD to change your toolchain. Today: If you want to build this, you need to use the 2024.04.01 or higher patch release of weelang. 2024.06.x may work, I haven't tested those yet. Once upon a time: If your cc doesn't understand function prototypes, set the KRSTANDARD define. If your system doesn't have /usr/include/floob.h but uses usr/include/sys/floob.h, set the SYSFLOOB define. If...
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@silverwizard@convenient.email 2024-06-14 14:46
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse This is why I will never program
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@jackwellborn@mastodon.social 2024-06-14 14:49
@saddestrobots@jorts.horse @mattchristensen@mastodon.social 🙌, programming joke buddy. https://x.com/jackwellborn/status/982260195249156096?s=46&t=SY9TeMLnwR0nrdGWg1ZBcg