Post #2086168
2023-08-05 01:38 UTC
Replies (10)
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@groxx@hachyderm.io 2023-08-05 01:51
@lkanies@hachyderm.io why in the world would diacritics be a *style* decision
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@sayrer@mastodon.social 2023-08-05 02:34
@lkanies@hachyderm.io That is out of control. The name of that alphabet requires those marks. Its name is Chữ Quốc ngữ. I've seen Chữ-nôm script, too. Sounds like you know this, lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing_in_Vietnam
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@slomo@toot.cat 2023-08-05 08:03
@lkanies@hachyderm.io I hope they never write anything about me 🙃 Without the umlaut my last name means 'drug' in German and I'm sure they won't manage the correct transliteration with 'ö' changed to 'oe'
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@jernej__s@infosec.exchange 2023-08-05 08:17
@lkanies@hachyderm.io To comply with my new style guidelines, I'll spell it "Nev Iork Times" from now on.
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@sunflowerinrain@mastodon.online 2023-08-05 08:30
@lkanies@hachyderm.io Seems a strange "style" choice. Don't most, or at least many, languages use (and need) diacriticals? Even English[0] has a few, though admittedly leaving them off just looks like you can't spell rather than changing the meaning. [0] The language spoken in England, to clarify.
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@danimrich@mastodon.social 2023-08-05 14:54
@lkanies@hachyderm.io This probably was a sensible policy back when typesetters just didn't have letters with these diacritics in their typecases. It might have been useful for electronic news articles before Unicode was widely supported. Nowadays, it just seems antediluvian and tone-deaf.
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@liquor_american@universeodon.com 2023-08-05 15:04
@lkanies@hachyderm.io For people without the proper keyboard layout, those diacritical marks can be added to letters here: https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/diacritics.htm Also, here's #AltText for your image: Note: The Vietnamese words in the original version of this essay used diacritical marks. To comply with New York Times style, the marks were removed before publication. Unfortunately, this practice alters the meaning of the words. In the case of Ho̓a Lò Prison, for example, “ho̓a” means “fire,” and “lò” means “furnace”: the Burning Furnace Prison. Without the marks, “hoa” means “flowers,” and “lo” means “worry,” rendering the term “Hoa Lo” meaningless. I look forward to the day when The Times and other Western publications celebrate the richness and complexity of Vietnamese, and of all other languages, by showcasing them in their original formats.
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@ferricoxide@evil.social 2023-08-05 15:15
@lkanies@hachyderm.io For e-articles, clipping diacriticals makes no sense.
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@d_christiansen@types.pl 2023-08-06 11:43
@lkanies@hachyderm.io do they replace Danish "øbo" with "obo", turning islanders into instruments?
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@jeremystucki@vis.social 2023-08-06 12:11
@lkanies@hachyderm.io in Switzerland, 100000s of immigrants from the Balkan countries have their name misspelled (and thus mispronounced) because the letter ć was not allowed in the official registry.