Post #1834598
2026-04-30 20:44 UTC
Replies (23)
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@capn_b@beige.party 2026-05-01 03:28
@plyspomitox I think some people just like violence, they think your ideas gotta fight
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@Quantensalat@scicomm.xyz 2026-05-01 05:47
@plyspomitox To quote a russian colleague: you'll never get rich like that! But joking aside, I really don't like the phrase marketplace of ideas. Or should I say I don't buy into the concept :)
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@bms48@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 06:00
@plyspomitox This reminds me of how fantastically ridiculous I found a certain London borough council renaming its libraries "idea stores".
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@dereel@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 07:08
@plyspomitox We probably shouldn't, but don't we? It's fun to dress a flat idea with a bit of wits and start playing shop. But then, it would be better named as the playground of ideas.
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@felipe@social.treehouse.systems 2026-05-01 07:41
@plyspomitox in the metaphor, because some ideas are bad and we generally want the less bad ones
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@atarifrosch@mastodon.de 2026-05-01 07:45
@plyspomitox Because capitalism.
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@Johns_priv@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 08:33
@plyspomitox And that's why Nikola Tesla died poor while thief and scammer Thomas Edison got rich. We (and I know I'm generalising here) haven't learned shit in centuries, just got better at being horrible human beings to eachother.
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@RandamuMaki@mstdn.social 2026-05-01 09:53
@plyspomitox Considering ideas should be challenged, why not a forum of ideas?
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@khleedril@cyberplace.social 2026-05-01 11:10
@plyspomitox It should be a theatre of ideas, in which each gets a chance to shine.
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@capnthommo@c.im 2026-05-01 11:53
@plyspomitox that's a jolly good point
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@saltywizard@beige.party 2026-05-01 12:06
@plyspomitox "Why does it have to be a marketplace of ideas, and not a library?" it doesn't. we get to change the rules whenever we like. some people* don't like change, tho. and may resist. violently. as long as you're prepared** for that, do your thing. we will only be free when we can exercise our rights to: — disobey — move about the earth freely, and — negotiate new social arrangements, ad hoc * you can often tell a person is apt to resist change when they do things like call themselves 'conservatives.' ** organization among like-minded humans, and a commitment to building community, goes a long way toward prepartion. hint. hint.
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@beecycling@wandering.shop 2026-05-01 12:43
@plyspomitox A potluck of ideas. Bring your own to share, enjoy what others bring too.
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@hsza@social.tudbut.de 2026-05-01 13:13
@plyspomitox from this yet another shitty notion of capitalist propaganda stem the likes of the patent system
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@falcennial@mastodon.social 2026-05-01 13:58
@plyspomitox LIKE. 💯
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@rebeld@cosocial.ca 2026-05-01 14:48
@plyspomitox The real mind virus was the capitalism we met along the way.
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@WanderingBeekeeper@weirder.earth 2026-05-01 16:48
@plyspomitox see https://wanderingbeekeeper.neocities.org/ for my library contribution
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@mxchara@seattle.pink 2026-05-01 17:22
@plyspomitox my guess is that this is the natural endpoint of deciding that the idea is somehow sacrosanct and that there's something special about the person who comes up with one, even though literally every human being gets ideas
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@Phracker2Art@mstdn.social 2026-05-01 20:51
@plyspomitox Because living in a capitalist economy necessitates that you monetize everything in order to pay the bills.
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@fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk 2026-05-02 04:59
@plyspomitox i suspect the metaphor is that everyone else brings their ideas, too, and yours will only get passed on if folks like yours more than the others. so there is natural competition, like a marketplace, but not selling like a marketplace. it half-works.
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@tsukkitsune@is.nota.live 2026-05-02 10:38
@plyspomitox The phrase "marketplace of ideas" recalls Francis Bacon's "Idola Fori", one of several categories of errors in thinking which he identified. The reason he compared intellectual discourse to a marketplace is, more or less, the haggling. You bring out your ideas, you set them out on display for everyone who might come by, and then people who find them intriguing stop and argue with you about them.
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@ArchaeoIain@archaeo.social 2026-05-09 06:52
@plyspomitox@chaos.social that is a wonderful thing to say. I wonder whether there is a literature on the use of the expression "marketplace..." and how it relates to the rise of capitalism (or is it a descent?)
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@ehproque@neopaquita.es 2026-05-09 06:54
@plyspomitox@chaos.social because their ideas only prevail due to overwhelming marketing
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@wjmaggos@liberal.city 2026-05-09 13:09
@plyspomitox@chaos.social the web is that library but calling it a marketplace acknowledges our limited attention. that if too many people were focused on rightwing conspiracies all the time, culture and civics would break down. see what's happening. we need a better competitive environment for what gets spread and cared about, so that it's more factual and can support human progress. to me, that's possible with everybody on fedi instead of ad/algo based corporate platforms. a democratic attention layer.