Post #3430255
2026-06-27 15:34 UTC
Replies (19)
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@xs4me2@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 15:51
@Flowermob@mastodon.social 😬
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@_r@donotsta.re 2026-06-27 15:58
@Flowermob@mastodon.social has anyone ever considered that this person is lying btw?
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@renardboy@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 15:59
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I don't know that it's a fact but I like to think information is like seeds that take a while to grow. Cause like, you can tell someone something that goes against their core beliefs, and there's about zero chance they'll just recompile their entire world view on the spot right? But then afterwards they're gonna be thinking back on it and if they can't resolve the holes they'll start the long process of fixing their world view, so you will in fact have helped.
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@arx@tech.lgbt 2026-06-27 15:59
@Flowermob@mastodon.social Humanity tends to bend reality to suit itself, not the other way around.
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@davep@infosec.exchange 2026-06-27 16:19
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I'm stuck in some sort of logical trap trying to parse that.
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@nddev@infosec.space 2026-06-27 16:36
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I don't think you do. /jk
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@disorderlyf@todon.eu 2026-06-27 16:38
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I do think part of that is how much stigma there apparently is around admitting you're wrong. I noticed I got in a lot less fights and the fights I got into disengaged a lot quicker when I got over my shit and started saying shit like "yeah, when you put it that way, I think you might be right." or "I looked into it and it turns out I was wrong."
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@d1@autistics.life 2026-06-27 17:08
@Flowermob@mastodon.social Alas, it was only during "the Age of Enlightenment" when facts held some sort of place of pride. Now we live in "the Age of narcissists". It matters how big your audience is, and how compelling of an emotional appeal you can make, based on true-ish, passionate statements. It's just a bunch of so-called "Narcissistic shared fantasies" now, pretty much everyone wandering and bumbling - precisely like medieval buffoons - into various toxic, cult-like ideologies
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@mammaj@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 17:27
@Flowermob@mastodon.social Random guys on the internet “my opinion is right” irrespective of any feedback or fact. This is the drivel AI is trained on and we are all being cajoled or enticed to invite it into our lives. Alongside all the other spy tech (anything termed ‘smart’) already baked into everything. The dystopian novelists warned us…
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@AskPippa@c.im 2026-06-27 17:56
@Flowermob@mastodon.social Sometimes it works -- at least a little. I've had online discussions where I've presented facts which lead to several encouraging exchanges. Being able to explain things helps too. Don't just say "it's X!" -- link to an excellent source that explains it. You know you've made a difference if they start asking questions. It's super important to keep a neutral and friendly tone. And also know when to quit if the fact-approach doesn't show any promise.
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@Newhereish@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 18:42
@Flowermob@mastodon.social The take away of this is that science works, and that doesn't change how people think.
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@shironeko@fedi.tesaguri.club 2026-06-27 18:49
@Flowermob@mastodon.social it would have created a contradiction otherwise, this guy just saved the universe.
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@badtux@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 18:52
@Flowermob@mastodon.social People *do* change their minds when you show them facts -- but not the person you're arguing with. When I'm arguing, I'm arguing for the sake of the audience, those who have no oar in either boat and can be persuaded to either side. i already realize that for example a hardcore Notsee is not going to change his mind about what should be done with untermenschen. I argue for the sake of keeping gullible kids from adopting the same horrifying ideology, not to convince him of anything.
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@CaileanGallimore@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 21:02
@Flowermob@mastodon.social What is "True" depends on who you talked to. Facts, not so much.
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@sanguish@iosdev.space 2026-06-27 21:25
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I think the datte must be wrong by about 10 years on the quote 😭
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@PizzaDemon@mastodon.online 2026-06-27 21:58
@Flowermob@mastodon.social
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@gdinwiddie@mastodon.social 2026-06-28 02:50
@Flowermob@mastodon.social I think planting questions may be more effective than facts. If they grow, they can trigger the thrill of discovery.
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@Iveyline@mastodon.nz 2026-06-28 05:32
@Flowermob@mastodon.social Alternative facts sgain?
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@EwanIngvald@framapiaf.org 2026-06-28 08:14
#alt4you #alt4u Screenshot of a tweet posted by Catherine na Nollag @cafernblue on the 10th of december 2019 It reads : I still think my favorite thing that's ever happened to me on the internet is the Time a guy said "people change their mindq when you show them facts" and I said *actually studies show that's nor true" and linked TWO (two written in capslock) sources and he said "yeah well I still thinks it works" The screenshots shows 9164 retweets and 46.8 likes https://mastodon.social/@Flowermob/116822802024289049