Post #2849840
2026-05-17 12:59 UTC
Replies (22)
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@yvanspijk@toot.community 2026-05-17 13:00
2/ Haplology is a so-called sporadic sound change. In the short article on my Patreon (470 words, tier 1), you'll learn all about the difference between sporadic sound changes such as haplology, and regular sound changes. https://www.patreon.com/posts/probly-haplogy-158495711
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@meercat0@mastodon.social 2026-05-17 13:23
@yvanspijk@toot.community in Turkish we often say “narsist” instead of correct “narsisist” (narcissistic). Indeed it’s difficult to say the correct version
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@maris@c.im 2026-05-17 14:01
@yvanspijk@toot.community Ik pleit al jaren voor 'klimaatregelen'.
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@Nead@social.vivaldi.net 2026-05-17 14:07
@yvanspijk@toot.community I preciate you.
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@aosmith16@hachyderm.io 2026-05-17 14:46
@yvanspijk@toot.community Sometime these days I just drop the b's all together and end up with "prolly", haha
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@Ralph@hear-me.social 2026-05-17 14:48
@yvanspijk@toot.community #alttext (this is a word salad of text in different directions, sorry for any confusion) HAPLOLOGY the process of deleting one of two syllables starting with the same consonant. It's some-times jokingly called haplogy. Old English Engla land land of the Angles Engla, genitive of Engle Angles English England Early Modern French Clermont-Montferrand the cities Clermont and Montferrand joined French Clermont-Ferrand Middle English probablely -probable + ly English probably applies to all adjectives ending in -le Colloquial English probly prolly by loss of b; not haplology Middle French contrerole counter-roll used for verification, from Latin contrārotula French contrôle control English control Ancient Greek Old Latin *noutrītrix wet nurse, from noutri- to feed and -trix feminine agent suffix Latin nūtrīx English nutricious Portuguese (obsolete) idadoso elderly, from idade age plus-oso-ous Portuguese idoso Ancient Greek ἀμφιφορεύς (amphiphoreús) two-handled jar, from amphí on both sides and phoreús bearer Ancient Greek ἀμφορεύς ....... (amphoreús) English amphora Latin amphora Latin τραγικοκωμῳδία (tragikokōmōidía) tragicomedy, from tragikós tragic and kōmōidia comedy ....... tragicomoedia English tragicomedy Taal aan de wandel German (obsolete) Narzissismus narcissism, from Narziss Narcissus plus -ismus-ism German Narzismus English library Colloquial English libry (Old?) Latin *habibilis skilful, from habē-to have plus -bilis Latin habilis Old French able English able
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@iris@neuromatch.social 2026-05-17 15:29
@yvanspijk@toot.community I think I shall pronounce the full probablely from now on. It sounds more tentative the longer it gets...
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@cy@fedicy.us.to 2026-05-17 15:48
So not certainly by loss of b, but only prolly.
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@epicdemiologist@wandering.shop 2026-05-17 18:09
@yvanspijk@toot.community I recently realized that I pronounce "comfortable" as "comf-ter-bl" with the t sound before the r sound. What's up with that? Is it an idiosyncratic error, or an example of an actual linguistic process?
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@groxx@hachyderm.io 2026-05-17 18:27
@yvanspijk@toot.community "Probly" seems inevitable to me. There's nothing phonetically competing with it.
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@jargoggles@kolektiva.social 2026-05-17 18:38
@yvanspijk@toot.community People who get hung up about "probly" vs "probably" must feel so incredibly lucky. What are the odds that they get to be alive during the precise moment in time that the English language has finally been perfected? It's like those unique drivers who have the perfect, innate knowledge that they, and they alone, are driving at the correct speed.
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@disorderlyf@todon.eu 2026-05-17 19:04
@yvanspijk@toot.community Reminds me of how syllables in Cherokee are either not pronounced or have such weak stress on them as to sometimes be read as not saying them at all when certain combinations happen. I seem to recall numbers having an extra syllable that often isn't included in the spelling either. I've also noticed something like this in certain Japanese phrases, but I don't know enough about the etymology of them to know if the weak stress or silent pronunciation is part of a similar trend.
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@headword@lingo.lol 2026-05-17 19:20
@yvanspijk@toot.community Many Germanic languages have also haplologized ‘camomille’ to ‘kamille’ #haplology
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@das_g@chaos.social 2026-05-17 19:40
@yvanspijk@toot.community Can this happen only with pairs of unstressed syllables or also when a stressed one is part of the pair? Or in other words, what's the probability that «probability» will at some point follow /probly/ on this way and become */probility/ or something similar?
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@noisytoot@berkeley.edu.pl 2026-05-17 19:40
@yvanspijk@toot.community is this what happened to "february" too?
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@Sfwmson@universeodon.com 2026-05-17 20:05
@yvanspijk@toot.community So then "BAB lee" isn't right?
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@fabiosantoscode@mastodon.social 2026-05-17 21:16
@yvanspijk@toot.community I bet "library" won't change because it's full of nerds!
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@vex@kolektiva.social 2026-05-18 00:11
@yvanspijk@toot.community it can shorten further to "prolly" (I use this)
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@kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com 2026-05-18 06:38
@yvanspijk@toot.community And then the remaining /b/ drops out, and in fast speech so does the /l/, leaving something like /prɑi/ XD.
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@anne_twain@theblower.au 2026-05-18 07:43
@yvanspijk@toot.community Personally I'm done with writing " through" when " thru" serves just as well and can't be confused with any other word.
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@EF@mastodon.bsd.cafe 2026-05-18 13:17
@yvanspijk@toot.community Many English speakers are horrendously lazy with pronunciation. I am very bad (and mumble too apparently). 'Efro' is the London airport formally named Heathrow.
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@ancientsounds@mastodonapp.uk 2026-05-18 20:47
@yvanspijk@toot.community So, La-la-land should really be just Land, no? 😉