Post #2469913
2023-08-06 14:50 UTC
Replies (21)
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@bkbkbk@hachyderm.io 2023-08-06 15:52
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Not remotely a fan of Zoom, but FWIW, that section of the TOS is specifically about ancillary data that Zoom generates based on usage and not user generated data: “…telemetry data, product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content…” Unless I’m misreading it, this part of the TOS seems to be more for training “hey, it looks like you call Suzan around this time every week” and not “we’re going to steal your conversations and use them for data generation” data.
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@theLastTheorist@mastodon.social 2023-08-06 15:58
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social yikes
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@yuvrajhanspal@ioc.exchange 2023-08-06 16:36
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social :yikes: This might get them uninstalled from a lot of folks' machines
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@eriksherman@mastodon.world 2023-08-06 16:44
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social time to stay with alternatives.
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@anomalocaris@oldbytes.space 2023-08-06 16:45
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Their security and privacy were terrible until, under massive public pressure, they fixed it. And then everyone kept using it because I guess they were magically no longer a shitty company looking to squeeze money out of their users every which way... and now, here we are. Just use Jitsi, for goodness' sake - why everyone hasn't switched to the perfectly capable, libre, self-hostable alternative is beyond me.
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@EvieAlways@infosec.exchange 2023-08-06 17:00
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Holy fuck.
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@ClariNerd@mastodon.social 2023-08-06 17:43
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social enshittification really is the word of the decade, isn’t it?
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@Kimcpen@mastodon.social 2023-08-06 17:55
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social uuggghhh
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@robertlogger@social.vivaldi.net 2023-08-06 18:00
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Use Jitsi meet.
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@calvin@fedi.sphericalcow.space 2023-08-06 18:04
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social I tried reading section10.2 but I am bad at understanding legalese. What data is recorded? It says telemetry, product usage data, etc. But what are some examples of that? Is video and audio being recorded?
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@richbruchal@mastodon.social 2023-08-06 18:06
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Many medical providers use Zoom for tele-health. They claim to be HIPPA compliant, so I hope they’re not collecting any data, even meta data from those.
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@noctuaminervae@toot.si 2023-08-06 18:10
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social And section 10.4 (“Customer license grant”, which involves “customer content” as well)
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@rml@functional.cafe 2023-08-06 18:30
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social the only reason any of us use zoom instead of jitsi or BBB or jami is the same reason why they don't want us to work from home -- they are scared about the consequences of workers who realize we actually don't need the management layer and are capable of self-organizing
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@tenkoman@sueden.social 2023-08-06 18:33
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Sounds like Zoom wants to win the BigBrother-Award for a second time.
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@waldenecovillage@kolektiva.social 2023-08-06 18:56
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social #BotcottZoom
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@AT1ST@mstdn.ca 2023-08-06 19:01
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Wait, why is Zoom all of a sudden going evil? They were supposed to bring balance to the video call ecosystem...
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@Silversalty@mastodon.social 2023-08-06 19:05
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Another example of @pluralistic@mamot.fr "enshitification" is the Studio54 insider line wait Bluesky. https://mastodon.social/deck/@ramsey@phpc.social/110843651374881440
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@abartlet@mastodon.nzoss.nz 2023-08-06 19:06
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social 10.4 is more horrifying as it includes customer content not 'just' metadata.
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@deborahh@mstdn.ca 2023-08-06 19:10
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social i see Jitsi mentioned here as an alternative. But it's free, which raises a red flag for me - I've seen other "free" services do a bait-and-switch to suddenly be "use our great AI for a fee" ... and you just know that AI was fed on our "free"-ly provided data 😕
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@Jumpmed@birdon.social 2023-08-06 19:22
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social this is especially concerning when you consider that the military relies heavily on zoom, both formally and informally. It should worry everyone that, even if nothing classified is discussed, that likenesses of our military members could be used in generative AI models.
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@mlippert@vmst.io 2023-08-06 19:24
@jmsdnns@mastodon.social Can Zoom still be HIPAA compliant with this TOS? #HIPAA #zoom