Post #2396950
2024-07-18 22:08 UTC
Replies (40)
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@albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz 2024-07-18 22:13
@corbet@social.kernel.org Will the webmasters run a script to dereference all the URL shorteners? They can.
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@chrisvest@mastodon.social 2024-07-18 22:25
@corbet@social.kernel.org ripgrep query that finds 'goo.gl' links in a directory, e.g. archive of mail or social media dump: rg -oNI --no-heading -e 'https?://goo\.gl/[0-9a-zA-Z/]+'
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@phil@chaos.social 2024-07-18 22:33
@corbet@social.kernel.org Recently watched a talk by @textfiles@mastodon.archive.org about losing our history. And apparently link shorteners were already a problem back then. "URL shorteners are the stupidest idea we've come up within the last 10 years." https://youtube.com/watch?v=tJqZGRIwtxk
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@vegard@mastodon.social 2024-07-18 22:41
@corbet@social.kernel.org I think the vast majority of these are from syzbot emails and many are the same, a link to the syzbot docs. Something like https://lore.kernel.org/all/?q=nq%3Agoo.gl+and+NOT+%28f%3Asyzbot+OR+s%3Asyzbot%29 returns only about ~700 emails
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@mnordhoff@infosec.exchange 2024-07-18 22:42
@corbet@social.kernel.org Developing that interstitial page and writing that blog post has to be more work than keeping the service running forever! Fricking Google. (Unless another team deprecated the infrastructure it runs on.)
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@tschapajew@metalhead.club 2024-07-18 22:58
@corbet@social.kernel.org @darrell73@mastodon.online Wenn da keine Bildbeschreibung dran hängt, mach ich nix damit. Dachte, ich bin das linksperformative Profil durch entfolgung losgeworden. Muss ich scheinbar noch nen Block reinhauen. Schade.
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@sj@social.kernel.org 2024-07-18 23:04
@corbet@social.kernel.org Thanks for headsup. I was more curious about the source tree. Seems only a couple of shortened URLs are in the source tree, fortunately. ``` $ git grep goo.gl Documentation/filesystems/9p.rst: http://goo.gl/3WPDg net/ipv4/Kconfig: delay gradients." In Networking 2011. Preprint: http://goo.gl/No3vdg ``` I may post patches later, unless others do.
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@kurtsh@mastodon.social 2024-07-18 23:40
@corbet@social.kernel.org This seems to happen every month or so. It's amazing to me that people still keep going back for more. 295 products/services & counting! Google Graveyard - Killed by Google https://killedbygoogle.com/
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@aaron@chirp.zadzmo.org 2024-07-18 23:40
@corbet@social.kernel.org I feel more vindicated self hosting everything I can every passing day.
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@RubyTuesdayDONO@mastodon.social 2024-07-18 23:45
NEVER TRUST GOOGLE
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@domi@donotsta.re 2024-07-19 00:09
@corbet@social.kernel.org thankfully, ArchiveTeam had a long-going project that collected millions of those URLs, so they won’t be lost. my infra helped at some point, I was running archiveteam runners for quite a while :3
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@Takeshidude@toot.garden 2024-07-19 00:17
@corbet@social.kernel.org don't rely on google services
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@benjistokman@mast.benstokman.me 2024-07-19 00:28
@corbet@social.kernel.org but why
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@DaniElectra@mstdn.social 2024-07-19 00:34
@corbet@social.kernel.org I always wonder about the amount of history that would be lost if the old mailing lists from Google Groups were to vanish from one day to another
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@bigTanuki@social.linux.pizza 2024-07-19 00:35
@corbet@social.kernel.org Google is intentionally breaking the internet. I wonder what they plan to try and sell us in the smoke of the damage?
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@johntimaeus@infosec.exchange 2024-07-19 00:48
@corbet@social.kernel.org Wonder if they know that this is gonna break google workspace? Lots of the auto-generated URLs there are goo.gl
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@stevex@mastodon.social 2024-07-19 00:49
@corbet@social.kernel.org What a rotten thing to do. I’m sure someone else would be willing to take over running that if it’s too hard or too expensive for Google.
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@Phracker2Art@mstdn.social 2024-07-19 01:20
@corbet@social.kernel.org Happens when you put the fate of technology in the hands of organizations that only care about short-term profits. This is also why I'm against things like streaming and SaaS. If something requires you to connect with a company's servers every time you use/consume it, it will be gone as soon as it no longer serves that company's bottom line.
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@LordPhantom@mastodon.social 2024-07-19 01:48
@corbet@social.kernel.org You have to be really careful using almost any Google service; Their history of just dumping things on a whim is long.
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@andy_griffin_design@mastodon.social 2024-07-19 02:09
@corbet@social.kernel.org @Meyerweb@mastodon.social Classic Google
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@alison@mastodon.online 2024-07-19 02:43
@corbet@social.kernel.org Filed under glad I didn’t use it and you can’t trust Google for anything.
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@funhouseradio@mastodon.world 2024-07-19 02:46
@corbet@social.kernel.org jerks
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@Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world 2024-07-19 03:08
@corbet@social.kernel.org How long until git.io links get destroyed?
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@isaackuo@spacey.space 2024-07-19 03:14
@corbet@social.kernel.org On the one hand, this sucks. On the other hand, it might help some people realize: 1) It is always a bad idea to expect any Google service to remain in place, given their ... ha ha ha ... track record. 2) Don't use URL shorteners. Ever. WTF is wrong with you, just don't do it.
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@arraybolt3@theres.life 2024-07-19 03:31
@corbet@social.kernel.org I get the feeling this is one of those things that is going to cause mass havoc because some legacy software uses these internally and that when enough people scream about it, Google will be forced to keep the links working.
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@iamwaseem@mastodon.social 2024-07-19 04:32
@corbet@social.kernel.org this is irresponsible behavior. Old links should be kept alive.
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@kerravonsen@mastodon.au 2024-07-19 04:46
@corbet@social.kernel.org I always felt that URL shorteners were the wrong solution for a problem that didn't exist. Unless, of course, you want to use them to ensure that people DON'T know what link they are clicking.
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@flensrocker@troet.cafe 2024-07-19 04:55
@corbet@social.kernel.org They should release the database into the public domain, so everyone can do what they can do.
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al 2024-07-19 06:02
@corbet@social.kernel.org @lana@mstdn.science Google did this? Shocking!
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@jeffmcneill@fosstodon.org 2024-07-19 06:14
@corbet@social.kernel.org Penny-wise and Pound foolish. One more for "Killed by Google" https://killedbygoogle.com/
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@StarkRG@myside-yourside.net 2024-07-19 06:25
@corbet@social.kernel.org It's a good thing they dropped their former motto as it would be really hypocritical given their current policy of doing as much evil as possible.
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@drazraeltod@chaos.social 2024-07-19 06:34
@corbet@social.kernel.org @jom@social.kontrollapparat.de this is EXACTLY the reason people were warned about using URL-shorteners "If that service goes away,all your links will be lost!" - "Nah! I'll just use a really big service that'll last longer than my server for sure" It doesn't get much bigger than Google. Didn't help.
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@AliveDevil@tauri.earth 2024-07-19 06:51
@corbet@social.kernel.org Oh what? So goo.gl has been deprecated since 2018, and an automated Google bot still has goo.gl in their email footer? They really don’t know what they are doing. Up to message 18000 these are just footer links, so maybe 2000 real messages, which includes quotes and whole mail body copies. @mvsde@mastodon.social
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@goetz@freiburg.social 2024-07-19 06:54
@corbet@social.kernel.org General recommendation: don’t “shorten” URLs. That’s just another gatekeeper/database between readers and your website.
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@paillp@microblog.lunai.re 2024-07-19 06:59
@corbet@social.kernel.org That's why I've never used an URL shortener...
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@ketchup71@mastodon.social 2024-07-19 07:46
@corbet@social.kernel.org Ah, great, another step to digital wasteland. Time to admit that the internet is no cultural heritage, but ephemeral. Truth is, (external/public) link shortening services always were a bad idea. They only exist because of microblogs, where you have to fight for each precious message character. However, I feel like having created such an abomination should lock you forever into the obligation to keep it alive, until the last referred-to link breaks.
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@raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest 2024-07-19 07:51
@corbet@social.kernel.org I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
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@badwebsites@mastodon.sdf.org 2024-07-19 08:08
@corbet@social.kernel.org What madness.
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@sfpodge@famichiki.jp 2024-07-19 08:13
@corbet@social.kernel.org @Ming@famichiki.jp yikes!
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@robinhouston@mathstodon.xyz 2024-07-19 09:08
@corbet@social.kernel.org > Today, the time has come to turn off the serving portion of Google URL Shortener. Not very long ago, everyone who worked at Google would have understood instinctively that there is no such time.