3Fingers

@FeloniousPunk if you just got to PHX i feel bad for you. it's rough there at the best of times, and probably already like 100° there now

@FeloniousPunk what, you mean the RABIDS.exe file my friend Rache is working on?

@blamellors @Natasha_Jay that's always been true

@Natasha_Jay

@StefanEJones almost. fumbled at the end, appealing to justice. we need to abolish justice too.

@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante all technology benefits the rich over the poor. that's just an unavoidable universal fact. AI is currently destroying the world by empowering the U.S. military and various billionaire fascists who are oppressing all of us.

@mrbase @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante and considering organizations like ICE are using ads to install spyware on people's phones now, adblockers are absolutely necessary for everyone. i am actually mad at anyone who's not using an adblocker.

@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante no. copyright law is bullshit. the problem is power. like in every situation. poor people stealing from the rich: cool. rich people stealing from the poor: fucked.

@skinnylatte either way, we need to get rid of christianity

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io you'd have to not be an idiot to "get me". no chance of you pulling that off.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io yeah, i fight people a lot. thought that was pretty clear. try to keep up.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io there is no such thing as "rhetorical violence", that's just stupid. if people dismiss the things i say because they're offended by my tone, that means they're stupid and wouldn't understand anything anyway.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io no, i didn't fail at communicating at all. you're just an asshole. and don't accuse me of keeping my fight-picking on the internet.

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social that's not how i define bullshit, it doesn't apply here, and it has nothing to do with morality. i was saying that it's objectively true that all moral statements are false. not "technically true", just fundamentally illogical. and idk what you mean about calling those things "bullshit"...i think you're just spewing bullshit.

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social yeah, i just don't see how the topics are connected

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social amount of money isn't relevant, i was responding to the effectiveness of noise demos, and acknowledging that people are doing other stuff too. none of this is relevant to the topic of moralism tho, you popped in and started talking about apathy, idk why...

@jarinks@mstdn.social @benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io so stop doing it

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social it does. i've personally seen people take money out of that bank because of protests. people leaving the bank pressures them to stop investing in companies that support genocide. in NYC the DBNY group organized actions for a year and a half, and got the Brooklyn Navy Yard to cancel Easy Arial's contract. there's been a lot of sabotage of Elbit factories and warehouses across Europe, with the Ulm 5, for instance. i think there was a recent action in Canada too. lots of stuff going on, lots of it having real tangible effects.

@jarinks@mstdn.social @benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io every intelligent mature adult opposes moralism.

@violetmadder@kolektiva.social @benji_w@aus.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io if you don't want to be condescended to, don't say stupid things.

@dalias@hachyderm.io @petrillic@hachyderm.io not me being a dick, it's you being an idiot. everyone who believes in morality is mentally unwell.

@dalias@hachyderm.io @petrillic@hachyderm.io never trust anyone. trust has no place in a debate. beyond that, this response is nothing but an ad hominem.

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social idk where you live, but there are people around the world taking action against the suppliers of the IDF to hinder their ability to continue doing those exact things. i know of groups across the U.K. and U.S. working on that using various tactics right now, in the "Eject Elbit" campaign. just one thought that immediately came to mind.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io it's not abstract. morality is killing us. we need--NEED--to abolish morality. it's absolutely necessary for people to stop thinking in terms of good and evil.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io no, you don't think it's evil. funny you should specifically mention intersubjectivity, i was thinking the past few days that i should make something responding to Mackie's clarifications at the start of Inventing Right And Wrong, because they give entirely too much space for the acceptance of an intersubjective "bad" as a standard interpretation of "evil"... in some areas, i agree with Mackie, like the delineation between hypothetical and categorical imperatives, and in the hypothetical sense, sure, something can be "bad" in the (almost aristotelean) sense that "this does a bad job of serving this purpose", and if the implied purpose is simply your own happiness, then something is subjectively "bad", to you, in the hypothetical imperative sense. but often "bad" and "evil" are simply synonyms, and i'm saying "bad" in the categorical imperative sense of the word is nonsense. the problem with the post is that it uses moralism. it's rooted in moralism. it's all ABOUT moralism. there's nothing to say about it, other than point out the fact that it's nonsense. i'm going to sleep and won't be checking back for a while, so i want to say this first. it's absolutely crucial for everyone to understand that morality is entirely a product of oppression, and it does nothing except oppress marginalized people. no one needs to convince others to oppose things that are actually harmful. describing something as torture is sufficient to make someone angry that it's happening. the purpose of morality is to make people angry about things that AREN'T harmful, and justify violence towards people who aren't a threat: the satanic panic of the 80s/90s. honor killings in the middle east. gender-variant american prisoners being forced off HRT right now. etc. people oppose things that hurt them and their loved ones naturally. morality is a tool used to brainwash people into bigotry.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io all of that is wrong. you do need it to be objective and universal to see it as "evil" because that's what defines morality. subjective values are preferences. objective imperatives represent morality. and no, since evil doesn't exist, you don't see those things as evil. you're deceptively and manipulatively using the word "evil" to coerce people into behaving in ways that conform to your preferences. you're probably inclined to respond to this by saying you're fine with coercing people to not torture or rape other people, but that would be simply missing--and proving--my point. why would i say "i agree" with someone saying something is evil, when that's exactly the sort of rhetoric i want to abolish..? morality absolutely is a mental illness.

@benji_w@aus.social @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io no, it doesn't. you're completely evading the point, being intentionally obtuse. nothing sounds evil to anyone. that's not possible. what's happening is, you're imagining that there is a concept we call "evil" which can be used to describe things you don't like. it's not "declining to judge", it's an acknowledgement that the concept of a good/evil judgment is fundamentally illogical, and built on inherently oppressive frameworks.

@cy @petrillic@hachyderm.io @violetmadder@kolektiva.social what does this even mean

@violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io and, it needs to be said - this is such an annoyingly lazy, unsophisticated, ridiculous, cliché response. for hundreds of years (at least), people have been denying the existence of moral truths, and putting forward still-undefeated arguments refuting moralism (Hume's Guillotine, Error Theory, Stirner's observation that religious morality is nothing but the subjective preferences of a being revered as a god, etc.), and every time the nonsensical nature of moralism is brought up, moralists simply fall back on the tired old refrain of pointing to cruelty and calling it evil, insisting "there are things i don't like, therefore evil must exist!"

@violetmadder@kolektiva.social @petrillic@hachyderm.io it's torture, rape, and bombing hospitals, obviously.

@petrillic@hachyderm.io evil is always a bullshit concept. anyone who uses words like that has serious mental problems.

@servo here i got you something even better

@privateger me playing souls games

@jeffowski@mastodon.world yes, but this seems to imply that people talked a lot about those two BECAUSE they're white, which isn't really fair. they became major talking points because of the videos of their deaths. but yeah, we shouldn't forget that there's a lot more horrific stuff we're not seeing. hell, i saw guards kill a Mexican immigrant in what they called a "concentration camp" for not speaking English, about 15 years ago...