Well damn, if the Reagan admin is said it, who am I to argue? It's not like the Reagan administration would lie, right?

Well if a "Reagan admin official" and "some other guy" said it, then it must be true!

EDIT: are you all bots? Why do so many of you believe the CCP is better than ICE? Like they aren’t disappearing people and committing genocide but sure.

No bots. This is one of the very few corners of the web inhabited by people whose ideologies make them rightfully skeptical of CIA propaganda narratives.

The "Uyghur genocide" has been thoroughly debunked, and the "disappeared" woman featured in that PBS article from 2021 was alive and well in 2022.^["In August [2022], International Tennis Federation (ITF) president David Haggerty told CNN he spoke to Peng about six weeks ago and she appears to be safe." https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/07/tennis/wta-return-china-peng-shuai-suspension-spt-intl/index.html]

Some guy in the US and some unspecified guy of unknown age or location both claimed completely contradictory things, therefore the idea that neither of those things happened is false. Checkmate tankies! Are you really that fucking stupid?

>Tank Man was disappeared after this It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever unsourced claims you like and expect people to believe it >Some other guy Oh well, if "some guy" said it...

If the Chinese wanted to make an example of him, wouldn't they publicize his execution?

I have a *lot* more trust in the communist party of China than the fucking Reagan administration.

offering two contradictory statements isn't proof of anything

As far as I know (and I've looked), the only actual evidence of his fate is that, at the end of the video, he is ushered off the street by civilians in streetwear. From there, people seem to make conclusions based on an overall impression of the Chinese government as comically evil, rather than any specific or credible evidence (or indeed any evidence at all) related to this guy in particular. Which is somewhat understandable, don't get me wrong -- no one investigates everything they hear. We try to gauge the overall picture and then, once we're convinced (rightly or wrongly), we tend to accept or reject new information on the basis of that picture. Everyone does this. I do it. That's why US propaganda is so effective. It works by sheer volume and repetition. Once that "comically evil Chinese government" picture is established, people believe new details consistent with it. And if you have a compliant media, that picture may never be challenged enough to dislodge it. Some of the stories are finally starting to collapse now -- not even the US state department claims there was a genocide in Xinjiang anymore, for example -- but it will take a while for that to ripple out to people.

Why do so many of you believe the CCP is better than ICE

Because even Western reporters who were there debunk the myth of what happened.

As far as genocide, Sayragul Sauytbay (basically the sole source of "proof"), has also been debunked six ways til Sunday, and even admits that she hasn't even witnessed these events firsthand. Gee, funny that the US/West lied about Vietnam, lied about Korea, Lied about Iraq, lied about Iran, lied about Cuba, lied about Venezuela, ... literally genocided millions (with actual proof) using the Jakarta Method, coups, embargoes, sanctions, assassinations, color revolutions, etc. Surely they wouldn't lie about China, riiiiight?

are you all bots?

We're bots because we actually read less biased accounts of what happened instead of regurgitating western propaganda?

Thank you for speaking your truth. I need you to keep doing this and showing the people how evil China is. Because goddamn am I going to make a lot of money off my Chinese investments because of people like you lmfao

Lemmy turning into a big propaganda machine always trying to pit us all against each other rage baiting Europeans vs Americans vs Asians vs etc. if we could all stop and smell the flowers we would be stronger.