2023-10-03 20:08 UTC
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@CodieneC@mstdn.ca 2023-10-03 20:29
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io In other words basic income saves money and it's really too bad that so many refuse to believe that.
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@JustinDerrick@mstdn.ca 2023-10-03 21:10
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io FYI, for anyone watching this with interest, this is normal. UBI works in every study conducted -- even the ones that were cancelled part of their way through the planned study period saw dramatic improvements by nearly every measure. Better mental health, less conflict with the law, more employment, lower cost of social services, etc. And those that didn't seek employment contributed back in other ways - most often providing care for children, elders, or disabled family members.
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@USSJoshuaNorton@trekkies.social 2023-10-03 21:23
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io The frustrating thing is none of this is surprising. Giving the money directly to the people does two things: 1. It doesn't punish the unhoused people for the "sin" of being poor, and so those who base their personalities on being better than others have one less group to look down on. 2. The money comes out of budgets of departments and businesses that it replaces, and they don't want to lose it. We know this solution solves a problem, but not the one those in charge want solved.
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@TCatInReality@mastodon.social 2023-10-03 21:33
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io #UBI seems like a really good idea. 👆👆👆
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@DrSuzanne@ohai.social 2023-10-03 21:41
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io God forbid we engage in preventive measures.
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@chicating@mastodon.world 2023-10-03 22:24
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Was just talking to my(moderate) brother about this. Mostly to be sure he knew Andrew Yang didn't make it up.
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@migriverat@zeroes.ca 2023-10-03 22:40
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io @Jorsh@beige.party Now that this is (yet again) clear, I look forward to the “fiscally conservative” embracing this aggressively.
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@chargrille@progressives.social 2023-10-03 22:55
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io What's the housing stock situation like in Denver? A scarcity, or are there enough available units to absorb the need?
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@darwinwoodka@mastodon.social 2023-10-03 23:15
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io It's so damned much cheaper to just give people money. UBI would be a cheap government policy, really.
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@quoidian@mastodon.online 2023-10-03 23:23
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Agrees with the Dauphin MB MINCOME results.
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@abartlet@mastodon.nzoss.nz 2023-10-03 23:58
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Very interesting. "Housing first" models would be in a similar space.
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@thebreadisrising@mastodon.social 2023-10-04 01:41
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io thanks for this
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@JGuz@mstdn.party 2023-10-04 02:14
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Huh… Portland/Multnomah County have millions (maybe even $100,000,000 - 9 zeros right?) and they cant for the life of any of them figure out how to spend it to help unhoused folx 🤷🏼♀️ #DenverGettingItRight #Unhoused #StopUnhousedByHousing! #PDX #PDXDoesNotGetIt
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@j_g_fitzgerald@c.im 2023-10-04 02:48
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io 👏👏👏👏👏
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@niniotter@mastodon.social 2023-10-04 08:52
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io Seems that a communal good is helpful for the community, who knew? Ah but that's communist thinking, better to hoard the wealth among those who "earned" it.
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@alexch@ruby.social 2023-10-04 12:06
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io @ReimanSaara@mementomori.social has anyone studying #UBI has considered the possibility of payday-lender style exploitation once this is rolled out to a large population? i can imagine desperate/hopeful people getting a lump sum loan with extortionate rates, backed by collateralized or garnished future UBI payments, which would make it a tool for oppression not liberation I hope policymakers will make it illegal to use future UBI like that, but haven’t heard anyone mention this scenario yet
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@reay@mastodon.social 2023-10-04 16:16
@scottsantens@hachyderm.io @LoganFive@beige.party “Yeah, but still…” - Republicans