Post #65416
2025-12-14 21:03 UTC
Replies (23)
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@wavejumper3@tech.lgbt 2025-12-14 22:07
@millie@infosec.exchange was just talking to someone about this!
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@Szescstopni@circumstances.run 2025-12-14 22:08
@millie@infosec.exchange @jrdepriest@infosec.exchange My program is finished. It is still running in a few small businesses :) https://circumstances.run/@Szescstopni/115674340411961779
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@kayla@gts.eilhart.cz 2025-12-14 22:08
@millie@infosec.exchange yes please. I want more software which is just being updated due to bugs and flaws and maybe for better user experience and not because "we need more features to have new features and grow bigger and bigger." This way, we just got enshittified products with no viable alternatives, with terrible support, more flaws and unreasonable pricing.
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@haematophage@fabula.schizophreni.ca 2025-12-14 22:37
@millie@infosec.exchange unfortunately even if you do write a program that is feature complete, the sentiment towards backwards compatibility in the current landscape seems to be "lol who cares" so there's no guarantee it'll work in a year or two
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@brouhaha@mastodon.social 2025-12-14 22:40
@millie@infosec.exchange That would be nice. I maintain only a few obscure open source programs I've written, and I seem to have to deal with "bit rot" from time to time. Recently, libxml2 did away with an API I've used for a long time.
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@azonenberg@ioc.exchange 2025-12-14 23:52
@millie@infosec.exchange i have a couple of small utilities that i use quite often that i haven't touched in forever because there's no reason to. Others are definitely not finished though.
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@sinvega@mas.to 2025-12-15 00:16
@millie@infosec.exchange
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@nieuemma@mastodon.de 2025-12-15 00:43
@millie@infosec.exchange I can't really be called a programmer, but I have written a few nice bash scripts, and they haven't needed any updates to keep doing what they have done since their creation.
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@zaire@fedi.absturztau.be 2025-12-15 08:50
@millie@infosec.exchange insecure software go brr
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@fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net 2025-12-15 10:15
@millie@infosec.exchange only if the underlying OS and platform is stable. That is almost never the case of commercial ones like Windows, iOS, Android or macOS where API churn for churn's sake is the rule. Raymond Chen may still work at Microsoft, but his philosophy of backwards compatibility at all costs is long gone.
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@ckent@urbanists.social 2025-12-15 10:37
@millie@infosec.exchange @Heliograph@mastodon.au Back when I was studying and they’d just turned it from Applied Science into Science, there was a lot of grim consternation that ours was the only “profession” without ancient (or medieval) guidelines for integrity and reliability Or airlines — they’re just a teenager at 1 century and a bit. They sorted their shit out.
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@deborahh@cosocial.ca 2025-12-15 10:42
@millie@infosec.exchange @Pkbwood@mastodon.online 🙏yes, please!
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@Szipek@mastodon.social 2025-12-15 10:48
@millie@infosec.exchange And what should all the Scrum Masters and POs do then? Look for a proper occupation? :)
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@RachaelAva1024@tech.lgbt 2025-12-15 11:44
@millie@infosec.exchange I'm okay with programs being updated to accommodate for dependencies but otherwise not changing how the core program works. Especially if some of those dependencies are paramount for security. For example, version 4.2.0-69, where 69 is how many times dependency updates were applied to this version.
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@fabiosantoscode@mastodon.social 2025-12-15 11:50
@millie@infosec.exchange especially true for programming languages and core libraries. python2 vs python3 was so exhausting and took so long, and what did we win from it, as a species?
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@oreganojones@mstdn.social 2025-12-15 11:55
@millie@infosec.exchange Perfectly put
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@Beldarak@mastodon.gamedev.place 2025-12-15 12:06
@millie@infosec.exchange but how will we charge our users forever then? /s I really miss when we could buy a software and use it forever, only upgrading if we need it and can afford to
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@Jbear5@floofy.tech 2025-12-15 12:09
@millie@infosec.exchange That was the upside of distributing software on shiny pieces of plastic.
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@TimWardCam@c.im 2025-12-15 12:15
@millie@infosec.exchange Tell that to the security auditors and regulators.
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@wtfwtf_ok@hachyderm.io 2025-12-15 12:26
@millie@infosec.exchange software guy here, the problem is that the platforms constantly mutate. I am responsible for an android app and like 5 times a year google emails me and says that it needs to be updated to use some new library or api or it will be removed from the store. These changes take a little bit of time and attention.
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@mitsunee@mk.absturztau.be 2025-12-15 12:41
@millie@infosec.exchange that's unfortunately something that gets lost with flatpaks as you eventually need to update the runtime used when the old version is no longer supported and receiving security patches. I've also had plenty of older software stop working outside of that, most infamously k4dirstat crashing for me across distros.
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@OmegaPolice@hachyderm.io 2025-12-15 13:06
@millie@infosec.exchange Please don't use "finished" when talking to management. That suggests a zero budget going forward. You'll need maintenance. "Feature-complete" may work better, if that's what you meant. In that case, I agree.
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@vermaden@bsd.network 2025-12-15 13:38
@millie@infosec.exchange Openbox or Dzen2 are good examples of finished software.