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Post #4081895
2026-07-16 22:00 UTC
2/2 Trans talk (cont.)
Anyway, I was very excited. I know how to do more pitch variation. That's very much in my mimicry repertoire. So all I need to do is figure out the femme-coded pitch variation pattern for London English, and move mine to be closer to it. As my friend put it,
"I was thinking that (London) takes that to absolute extremes. Like, it is almost impossible to overegg it."
That's the difference. My particular accent happens to be one where the largest gender distinction in speech pattern is entirely pitch variation variation. Pitch variation squared? Not sure how this works.
Basically, the amount of variation from the baseline is the marker. More masc, less variation. More femme, more variation. Be distinctively one or the other.
I can do that. Gimme six months, and we'll see where I am on femme-voice Londonerinisch.
It got me thinking, though. I wonder what the markers are like in the other languages I speak? Not the very clear ones, like using the right form of a noun ("traductrice" v "traducteur"), DE use of -in to indicate femme-coding, Slavic verb endings. I mean the unwritten ones. Not the content of speech, but the manner.
What is it, in your language, that tells you what gender to refer to your interlocutor as? And yes, I'm aware, gender is not transmissible by phone line as such, I'm a good trans, I know my theory.
But what are the signals that make you feel like "this is a man speaking" or "this is a woman speaking", in French, or German, or Spanish, or Russian? Not the obvious stuff, like Russian past tense verbs, but the...suprasegmentals, I guess. The stuff outside of the bricks and mortar of linguistics.
Do French men swear more often? Do German women speak more indirectly? Do Spanish men have a notable speech difference from Spanish women? Do Russian women speak more quickly)?
I'm interested in hearing from anyone about their language's answers. Responses in :flag-fr: :flag-de: :flag-es: :flag-ru: all okay.
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@oldladyplays@wargamers.social That's a great question that I've been asking myself.
Since I live in the US I speak English all the time but with my dreadful French accent people tend to attribute any female variation to me being French.
I can't pinpoint speech difference in France but body language is important: French women use their hands a lot, they move when they talk while men are static.
And it's associated with gay men too so people clock me as gay, not trans.
And believe me French women do swear.😆
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@oldladyplays@wargamers.social In Japanese, both women and polite/subservient social contexts use substantially higher pitch. I know that's not unique but it is extreme, and I still have not unlearned using the higher pitch.
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@oldladyplays@wargamers.social
A major indicator of gender in my speech when speaking Polish is my saying "I will punch you in the throat if you keep calling me 'sir' ".
On a serious note though... I don't know. I pepper my speech with as many gendered forms as possible and people still don't notice. People really hear what they want to hear...
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