Post #3426369
2026-06-27 06:01 UTC
Replies (37)
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@pi_r@corneill.es 2026-06-27 11:24
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online @mtriclot@aleph.land Here is their response : "Hello, Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad. Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with. We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues. This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking. The more people do this, the better a place the world will be. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't. " My one : "You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.” This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly. In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write. It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad.
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@pi_r@corneill.es 2026-06-27 11:36
@lostgen@det.social @mtriclot@aleph.land Here is their response : "Hello, Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad. Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with. We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues. This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking. The more people do this, the better a place the world will be. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't." My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.” This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly. In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write. It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."
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@tk@social.apreslanu.it 2026-06-27 12:05
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online coincidentally, mozilla vpn is mullvad with a skin and a markup. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/subscription-services/
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@mullvadnet@mastodon.online 2026-06-27 13:13
@lostgen@det.social Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.
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@astro@beige.party 2026-06-27 12:06
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online well that sucks. i do not use mullvad and now i am glad i don’t .
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@alexadeswift@lgbtqia.space 2026-06-27 18:52
@lostgen@det.social As I told them "when your politics infringes upon my right to personhood, your politics becomes bigotry". I am done with them. @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@gemmy@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 07:22
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online Is there one proof of the event, from an official source? I couldn't find any. Nor the event has been covered from several trustworthy news sources.
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@jenshansen@jens.metodistiudine.nohost.me 2026-06-27 12:33
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online thank you for publishing. It is now clear for me not to continue with mullvad
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@MHowell@kolektiva.social 2026-06-27 20:36
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online This thread cleans up quite nicely once you have blocked and muted gemmy
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@Linza@kamu.social 2026-06-27 19:59
@lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online this is sadder but also more funny when you take into account how few voters that party actually has. Not only is he throwing money at Nazis, but they're the "we have Nazis at home" of Nazis.
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@lostgen@det.social 2026-06-27 09:01
@gemmy@mastodon.social I see no indication why it shouldn't be true given it states their source and the company in question has been tagged in many posts and did not correct it in any instance as far as i checked.
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@lostgen@det.social 2026-06-27 09:08
@gemmy@mastodon.social That conspiracy myth you are bringing forward is lacking a motive.
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@lostgen@det.social 2026-06-27 09:33
@gemmy@mastodon.social And a left-wing newspaper somehow got turned by Autocrats to use the hatred against Autocrats to shoot against a VPN. Not very plausible.
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@lostgen@det.social 2026-06-27 09:42
@gemmy@mastodon.social Sure it's biased. That does not make it wrong. The link with the right wing was that right wingers made a terrorist attack on the newspaper. Not exactly making conspiracy with them more likely.
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@lostgen@det.social 2026-06-27 10:48
@gemmy@mastodon.social If there is no proof apart from a renown 100y+ old Swedish newspaper you chose to ignore, troll. I'll block you now.
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@thejessiekirk@ohai.social 2026-06-27 10:59
@gemmy@mastodon.social There is literally a link from Flamman, a good source. I don't know why you won't accept it but it's important to do so, even if we don't like it. @lostgen@det.social
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@thejessiekirk@ohai.social 2026-06-27 12:31
@gemmy@mastodon.social Okay, but first we're talking about your claim that you not having heard of it renders the source invalid before we move onto your other points. Are you going to acknowledge that onu was silly? @lostgen@det.social
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@thejessiekirk@ohai.social 2026-06-27 14:33
@gemmy@mastodon.social I give up. Welcome to fedi, BTW. @lostgen@det.social
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@barubary@infosec.exchange 2026-06-27 15:59
@gemmy@mastodon.social Thank you for telling me how to recognize disinformation. Because that describes exactly what you're doing with Flamman.
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@cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza 2026-06-27 14:26
@gemmy@mastodon.social @lostgen@det.social the food I ate today was older than your account. And Mullvad just admitted that donation is real. https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
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@Nicovel0@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 15:37
@gemmy@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social look if you’re happy enriching a guy who then uses his riches to float a fascist party just say so, there’s no need to make it such a long thread.
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@FizzyDaisies@mas.to 2026-06-27 16:12
@gemmy@mastodon.social @Nicovel0@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social That sentence is plain on its face. The sole reason for someone to read that sentence as a typo is because someone dislikes the true meaning of the sentence and what it conveys. Mullvad is distancing both itself and its co-owner/co-CEO from Daniel Berntsson’s donation. You complain about disinformation; yet, you suggest without any evidence that Daniel Berntsson made donations to other political parties in 2025. You also assume without any discernable reason that he is ashamed of his donation Öreboro Party and seeks to hide it.
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@FizzyDaisies@mas.to 2026-06-27 17:05
@gemmy@mastodon.social @Nicovel0@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social I understand your suggestion, and I am asserting that your suggestion is based on a false premise that no evidence exists in support of Berntsson’s donation to that Party, Your suggestion is both nonsensical and disinformation. You are incorrectly assigning your own arbitrary standard of proof on everyone. There is no “we”. Everybody can review and weigh the evidence as they choose.
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@FizzyDaisies@mas.to 2026-06-27 17:12
@gemmy@mastodon.social @Nicovel0@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social There is incontrovertible evidence that largest single donation to that Party for 2025 was SEK 5,000,000.00. Evidence of that donation exists in public records. The article states Berntsson wrote in an email to the journalist that he made the donation. Mullvad issued a statement addressing *the* donation, not imaginary donations to other parties. Berntsson has not disputed he made the donation despite having both a platform and opportunity to do so. Berntsson standing in front of your face and saying directly to you that he made the donation is not the only form of evidence.
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@davidbcohen@twit.social 2026-06-27 19:10
@gemmy@mastodon.social @FizzyDaisies@mas.to @Nicovel0@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social
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@Linza@kamu.social 2026-06-27 19:57
@gemmy@mastodon.social sock puppet says whaaaat @Nicovel0@mastodon.social @cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @lostgen@det.social
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@pelle@veganism.social 2026-06-27 13:58
@gemmy@mastodon.social @lostgen@det.social there is zero proof from any sources that mullvad even exists. do your own research.
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@bruno@federation.network 2026-06-27 16:03
@gemmy@mastodon.social What's a trustworthy news source for you? Try these https://nyadagbladet.se/inrikes/mullvad-grundare-donerade-fem-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/ "Berntsson beskriver donationen som personlig. "Det här är en donation från mig personligen", skriver han i ett mejl till Flamman. " Or do we have to search for you? @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@bruno@federation.network 2026-06-27 16:09
@gemmy@mastodon.social If the far right confirms lefties... what do you want more? 😝 And Daniel confirms his donation in this article. @mullvadnet@mastodon.online @lostgen@det.social
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@yacc143@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 16:58
@gemmy@mastodon.social Well, Wikipedia points to a newspaper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party The Swedish donation register shows the donation but it does not show the donors name, so it probably won't get more official. @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@yacc143@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 18:23
Worth noting: Daniel Berntsson isn't Mullvad's CEO (that was Jan Jonsson until Aug 2025) — he's the co-founder and 50% co-owner. And he confirmed the 5M SEK donation himself, on the record, to Flamman: "Det här är en donation från mig personligen." He even called the party's remigration policy "sorgligt att det behövs." https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropartiet/
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@yacc143@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 18:23
On "no official source": under Swedish law (Lag 2018:90 §27), Kammarkollegiet must redact the names of individual donors from the public register — so the 5M line shows, but never the name. That's by design, not a gap. The name only comes out via the unredacted filing or, as here, the donor confirming it himself. https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/lag-201890-om-insyn-i-finansiering-av-partier_sfs-2018-90/
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@Jagermo@defcon.social 2026-06-27 17:58
@gemmy@mastodon.social Mullvad has confirmed it in a toot. @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@Jagermo@defcon.social 2026-06-27 18:00
@gemmy@mastodon.social Mullvad has confirmed it: "Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission." You can stop defending him @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@20002ist@thepit.social 2026-06-27 20:40
RE: https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681 @gemmy@mastodon.social @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online Other than this, you mean? https://thepit.social/@mullvadnet@mastodon.online/116822245622271398
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@fmobus@mastodon.social 2026-06-27 21:09
@gemmy@mastodon.social @lostgen@det.social @mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@ebbesand@freiburg.social 2026-06-28 19:25
@gemmy@mastodon.social @lostgen@det.social Mullvad responded to this itself, citing freedom of expression (X) . I’m out too; my trust in this VPN-Service is gone.