Post #2991909
2024-05-20 12:09 UTC
Replies (13)
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@sue@glasgow.social 2024-05-20 12:46
Gonnae be a big blocking day by the looks of it
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@alextually@mastodon.scot 2024-05-20 12:14
@sue@glasgow.social this gets to the core of the issue I think. "What problem are you solving" is a valid question to ask and it sounds like people will have different perspectives. If someone is building vital infrastructure then they should get paid. If someone is creating art for art's sake, maybe not? But I also think everyone should have the resources to engage in leisure.
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@MichaelTBacon@social.coop 2024-05-20 12:16
@sue@glasgow.social I absolutely see where you are coming from on this, but some of the web that the nostalgia threads are talking about refers to a time when the software on the Internet was produced by people being paid By government or private grants in aid of research.
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@Colman@mastodon.ie 2024-05-20 12:23
@sue@glasgow.social yeah, every time I see that I think “the middle class white guy web”. And I’m a middle class white guy who remembers the late 80s online. It wasn’t great.
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@nini@bitbang.social 2024-05-20 13:22
@sue@glasgow.social Feel like a lot of what's driving it is a direct connection to the past, whatever rosy retrospective they have on what the internet was during their formative years. There's no reclaiming the internet by performing the digital equivalent of historical re-enactment, it's like our own little trad movement and probably suffers from the same issues of it being mostly for the affluent and unworkable beyond a concept. Build something better, leave something that adapts and isn't a time capsule.
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@ashedryden@scholar.social 2024-05-20 15:33
@sue@glasgow.social Agreed. I feel like the other side of this is that so many people fail to recognize how many multi-billion dollar companies rely on volunteer-dominated open source while giving nothing back, instead choosing to prop up the "purity of open source not being tainted by money" thing. Capitalism loves unpaid labor.
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@zwol@hackers.town 2024-05-20 16:06
@sue@glasgow.social And also! That early era of blogging that lots of the people being nostalgic are thinking of, coincided precisely with the era in which it was possible for an individual to make at least beer money off of banner ads. That funding source is never coming back, and for unrelated reasons I would argue that we don't *want* it to come back, but people have forgotten it was even there, and don't realize that without it, much of that blogging wouldn't have happened.
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@woltiv@mastodon.social 2024-05-20 16:07
@sue@glasgow.social I think that's a good point, esp about nostalgia. I think some of what the small web people are longing for is personalization/personality. Some people had really wild, creative GeoCities or AngelFire or whatever pages. Now people go to a site like facebook and everyone's page are basically identical. The "small web" isn't going to sweep away facebook, regardless of how altruistic or not-for-profit it is, because most people a) don't care and b) don't know how to do their own site.
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@mttaggart@infosec.town 2024-05-20 17:49
@sue@glasgow.social I couldn't agree more with all of this. Also frustrating are the "this has existed for years" comments. Like...if that was gonna work, it would have.
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@gabek@social.gabekangas.com 2024-05-20 17:58
@sue@glasgow.social The internet is a big place, and we’re all allowed to try our own things for our own reasons. Because I choose to write software, and give it away, to enable people to do things with, doesn’t make me a part of some kind of problem, and I’m sorry you see me that way. I can’t do everything for everyone, but I can do this. There are plenty of companies who make money and they’ll happily take you. Turning every free software project into a capitalist, venture-funded, profit-first endeavor isn’t the solution that you think it is.
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@dalandan_studio@hachyderm.io 2024-05-20 19:50
@sue@glasgow.social and perhaps, these parts end up becoming the lost web because those projects were unable to sustain themselves over time. If I know & can tell a project is a one/small person team and it is extremely well done, I am more than happy to contribute to it. Tech enthusiasts should be happy to do so as well.
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@jcolag@mastodon.social 2024-05-20 21:02
@sue@glasgow.social Agreed! And it's so many well-meaning people somehow unwilling to admit that the early web only "worked" because nobody needed it for anything important and/or that what they miss was their lives (up to) thirty years ago. I'd much rather live in a world where developers can produce much more with smaller teams and get yelled at when they forget to think about even rudimentary accessibility than what I had to work with in the '90s...
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@zilti@gts.lyrion.ch 2024-05-21 02:00
@sue@glasgow.social So you want the smallweb, then.