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Post #2550702

2026-05-15 02:47 UTC

The thing about saying trans women are “socialized male” is that it’s a fundamentally anti-feminist stance. If all it took to make someone irretrievably gendered was a bit of socialization, then cis women fighting against patriarchy with be a lost cause since they are socialized female in a society build around the belief they are and will always be less. The belief that we are nothing but socialization is just masked patriarchy.

Replies (13)

  • @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life 2026-05-15 14:30

    In my experience, most of the behavior patterns that drive the “socialized male” argument as a rejection of trans femininity are at least as much based in race as in gender. There is an aspect of centering that I honestly see more related to whiteness than femininity. I feel like this is further promoted by the visibility of white trans people in comparison to others.

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  • @burnoutqueen@todon.nl 2026-05-15 02:56

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life I was only "socialized male" in the sense that a wrongfully convicted person is socialized Into prison culture.

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  • @Willow@chaosfem.tw 2026-05-15 03:11

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life YES! Thank you! THIS!

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  • @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life this is a much better take on the idea than where I see most people go with it. Appreciate this framing a lot

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  • @Nephrite@gamedev.lgbt 2026-05-15 06:52

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life Transphobia in general is irreconcilable with feminism because transphobia is fundamentally sexist. Someone who really believes in gender or sex equality wouldn't have problems with people changing genders (or choosing to have none or multiple or unconventional ones), and they certainly wouldn't constantly reinvent sex essentialism from different angles (souls, genes, bones, socialization... the list goes on).

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  • @h3mmy@lgbtqia.space @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life wait…someone literally believe most men regularly engage in a circle jerk? 🤣 Oh lord, I suspect that person takes every euphemism very literally or is just really disconnected from real people of different genders.

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  • @h3mmy@lgbtqia.space @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life I mean, yeah, if one wants to sit in a circle masturbating with their gal pals, more power to them, but definitely not a common activity in any country I’ve lived in 🤣

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  • @catpunk@piperco.global 2026-05-15 14:32

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life im socialized evil

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  • @2something@transfem.social 2026-05-15 15:11

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life Transphobes: Biologically Basic Biology Biologically says that biologically trans "women" are biologically male and biologically cannot biologically change to be anything other than biologically male. It's just biology! Also transphobes: Oh, you used medicine to change your biology? Well you're still socialized male!

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  • @Edelruth@mastodon.online 2026-05-15 18:24

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life Thank you. Yes. I am a cis woman and the older I get, the better I can see the social, patriarchal thumb that has been pressed down on me through my life. If the patriarchs of our society perceive transwomen to be a threat, because they 'were not brought up right', they are sub rosa saying they have manipulated womens' power to where they like it (subjugated), and they don't want trans-spies letting that cat out if the bag.

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  • @nora@blob.love 2026-05-15 18:58

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life im so mad this fucking discourse made it here and you had to see it

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  • @disorderlyf@todon.eu 2026-05-16 18:07

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life Really does feel like a lot of the TERFs I see saying shit like this have already given up on their supposed feminist goals when they say shit like this.

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  • @zodiepupper@meow.social 2026-05-17 19:56

    @FinalGirl@blackqueer.life EXACTLY!!! I've been trying so hard to get my queer friends to stop saying that shit. i hear "you were socialized female a surprising amount" NO, i had a hyperfixation on psych and behavior profiles and know what to do to make it look that way. and SO WHAT, if you feel that you do things from a "socialized male" perspective then shut up and stop doing it like wtf??? "socialized [gender]" is just more of us poor folk being pitted against eachother. don't let the nazi psyops convince you that you're defined by what you're told, that's just self hate.

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