Am I the only one that believe the US has to go through some sort of painful transition/civil war/revolution to fix it? Is reforms from Democrats enough?
2026-05-13 21:47 UTC
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@The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2026-05-13 22:01
nah
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@disregardable@lemmy.zip 2026-05-13 22:02
Blaming the Republican party is wrong. They’re evil, but it’s the rich continuously stealing more capital and destroying businesses that is the problem. If the South and rural areas had equal access to wealth and education, the identity politics bit wouldn’t work on them.
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@doleo@lemmy.one 2026-05-13 22:02
Nope.
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@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2026-05-13 22:12
Democrats have no intention of changing anything meaningful. We learned that when Obama had a supermajority and became a black Dubya, despite his extravagant progressive promises. Our only power is local now, and they know this, which is why they swift-boated Mamdani and ran a Democratic partisan against him. Yes, it will take a major disruption to necessitate any meaningful change at the national level.
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@DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2026-05-13 22:18
The not-Republicans seem less hell-bent on destroying everything for some accelerationist ideology. That’s about all I see. I think if we can get a progressive, perhaps AOC in office, and it’s possible to save us, she’ll not hold back, having seen how Trump used the office. That’s my only hope of not having a violent revolution someday, but I think there will be many years, probably decades of disasters to live through first.
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@Okokimup@lemmy.world 2026-05-13 22:31
I highly recommend you read Blueprint for a Revolution by Sroja Popovic. Dude was involved in the Serbian revolution and has advised movements around the world on what works against fascist regimes and what doesn’t. Our hope isn’t in a party, it’s in the people. And violence not only isn’t required for a Revolution, it’s not anywhere near as effective as non-violent resistance.
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@Zephorah@discuss.online 2026-05-13 22:32
It’s a class war, now combined with AI sucking up the most basic of living resources, from us to the billionaires’ latest pet project. Everything else is a distraction. Remember, up to 50% (depending on what study you read) of social media is bots.
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@TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 2026-05-13 22:34
Oh, sweet summer child. The Democrats don’t even have an interest in reforming the system, which is why nothing changes even when they have a majority in congress. Reformism is dead. Only a revolution can save the working class from the stranglehold of capital. Now, is a revolution in the US forthcoming? Unless conditions change dramatically, I would say not. But we have entered the weeks where decades happen and left the decades where weeks happen. If you want to be prepared, organize and read theory; having a reality-based perspective will help you regardless of where we’re headed.
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@EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 2026-05-13 22:40
They need more than 2 parties
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@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2026-05-13 22:52
I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I know think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done. John Brown
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@bizarroland@lemmy.world 2026-05-13 23:18
I mean, we basically have, in my opinion, the choice of a civil war, some sort of revolution, or complete and total economic collapse, and rebuilding after the collapse to fix America. I don’t see any other way than that.
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@Athena5898@lemmy.ml 2026-05-13 23:21
Nothing will change until we group together and stop exploitation. This includes how America has propagandize that all violence is equal. Nothing is going to change unless some bricks go through some windows and I think we are past even that. Not a single person in power is on our side.
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@fatur0000new@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 00:24
Is reforms from Democrats enough? “They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen” Huey Long, campaign speech for the re-election of Senator Hattie Caraway (D-AR), 1932 Am I the only one that believe the US has to go through some sort of painful transition/civil war/revolution to fix it? No, you aren’t. Sorry if my english is bad
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@zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 00:57
Watch this.
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@favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2026-05-14 02:25
We have coasted for a long time off the blood and sweat of our ancestors who struggled to win us the ideals that have made us thrive. But, we have thrived so much that we have become arrogant and cocky and now have forsaken our ideals. We don’t deserve to thrive anymore until we remember those ideals.
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@electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 02:42
If reforms from democrats was enough, we wouldn’t have Trump right now.
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@AlHouthi4President@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 03:58
I would like to see the “United States of America” burn to the ground and cease to exist entirely as a political and military entity.
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@frisbird@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 04:20
The US needs to be dismantled. There’s no such thing as fixing a settler colonial state. Everything about it is very young and paper thin, from its philosophies to its narratives to its borders to its laws to its “culture” to its religions. None of it will withstand the slow and inexorable resistance of the world’s people.
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@Formfiller@lemmy.world 2026-05-14 04:21
We need a revolution
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@Brown_dude69@lemmy.world 2026-05-14 04:25
Going through civil war?? Who will be casualties?? Normal freaking civilians and none
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@thefrozenorth@sh.itjust.works 2026-05-14 04:32
It’s not a matter of ‘fixing it’. The USA is transforming itself from a liberal democracy to a christian theocracy. Evangelical leaders have been working on this since the 1980’s. They want to change the constitution to remove the separation of church and state. This is what Project 2025 is all about. They are about 60% there. The first act of the new Christian Nationalism will be the American Genocide of trans, gays and lesbians. This is what ICE is being groomed for. They must be willing and able to execute women and children in the camps they are setting up. Renee Good was the test case. Get ready, the program has been copied from Nazi Germany, look it up.
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@nonentity@sh.itjust.works 2026-05-14 04:52
The US has been a nation no-one should treat as a serious entity since 2024-11-05, and can not be again until they can prove their ability to hold another legitimate election, and concluded the Nuremberg-a-Lago trials.
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@AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-14 05:03
No, plenty of us believe it. I didn’t recently purchase 10+ different guns and a ton of ammo because I think things will work out. Unfortunately, more people think diplomacy and peaceful protest and waiting until the next time to vote will be enough. It’s fucking dumb. If my plan to leave the US permanently fails, I’m prepared for literal civil war.
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@thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 05:22
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@Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 2026-05-14 05:35
What does “fix it” mean? Capitalism–a semblance of the status quo–continuing to function?
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@kreskin@lemmy.world 2026-05-14 05:48
The degree of the chaos between current governmental state and a better government is the concern i always wonder about. One thing we know is that the rich dont want it to fundamentally change. Even the dems. When biden was comforting a group of megawealthy donors and assuring them that ‘nothing would fundamentally change’ with him in charge, he was speaking for the party. And they havent budged from there. They are not friends of the common people but they are somewhat closer to us than the gop.
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@Decq@lemmy.world 2026-05-14 06:11
As long as Americans think one day peaceful protests will do anything, I don’t see a anything happening. That concept is so mind boggling dumb imho. If you’re not willing to commit for weeks/months, and say from the start, ‘ah tomorrow we will be gone’. Then why wouldn’t the government just ignore it? No you put out your demands and sit down in Washington DC or NY or something until the demands are met. Giving it a deadline just doesn’t make any sense at all. Now if this would actually happen, I don’t see it stay peaceful for very long, but probably a tiananmen square situation developing. With how little the gov cares about people’s well being. But to be honest, the US probably needs vigilantes/rebels a la the Black Panthers for anything to happen. The democracy route? Yeah it’s way past that point already. As long as people like Bernie Sanders (or anyone more left than Bush) keep getting marked as some kind of ‘communist’, nothing will happen there. That propaganda has been gobbled up too much already.
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@MrWrinkles@leminal.space 2026-05-14 06:34
Define painful. There’s nothing stopping us from starting co-ops for nearly everything. But the will has to be there. Too many people are happy with what they have. Violence only breeds more violence. Full stop. All it takes is a viral moment.
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@mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 06:53
"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done." John Brown
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@ClownStatue@piefed.social 2026-05-14 03:42
FWIW, Karl Marx agreed with you.
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@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 08:01
No. No. Elections were meant to be bloodless revolution. What about “You are forced to vote for someone who doesn’t represent you” screams bloodless revolution? Usually this is where I would make a long winded comment on replacing First-past-the-post voting with a voting system that allows more then two parties to exist without a spoiler effect… but that time has long since passed us by. Democrats refused to implement the change Obama promised, Republicans eventually won. GG no RE. Good luck out there yall.
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@OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-05-14 09:19
It’ll take a few more assassinations Luigi-like incidents before any oligarchs start taking us serfs seriously.
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@Cargon@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 10:38
Only 1/3 of the voting age population voted against MAGA after having a 10 year preview. The US is unsalvageable. Live your life while you can. There are too few patriots to fight back against this hoard of loyalists.
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@Pissed@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 11:16
The united states needs a Sun Yat Sen level reformer to come along if they want to get out of this mess.
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@Objection@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 13:49
As things stand, unfortunately, the far-right is significantly better armed and better prepared for a breakdown in government. While I would prefer to peacefully reform the system, it’s increasingly clear that there’s validity to the saying, “If you want peace, prepare for war.” The fact that the right is better positioned for a breakdown in order allows them to push further and further without fear. Civil war or revolution isn’t going to be something the left chooses, rather, if current trends continue, and it seems like they will, we may end up forced into a situation where we are left but no choice to defend ourselves. It’s not necessarily an all-or-nothing deal. There are methods of fighting back that are more effective than relying on the Democrats but don’t constitute full-on revolution, such as strikes. While strikes are non-violent, history has shown that they have potential to become violent, for example, if a boss hires mercenaries to force people back to work at gunpoint. Likewise, if masked gunmen started showing up to people’s workplaces, demanding some of the workers to be handed over to be taken as hostages, workers need to be prepared to deal with that emergency. Practically speaking, even if you wanted a revolution, there’s now way that would even be viable while practical steps for community defense have not been made. I’m not sure it’s rhetorically necessary to go further than that, particularly on a public forum.
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2026-05-14 15:26
Revolution is necessary, because the bourgeois state cannot be dismantled and a proletarian state put in place via peaceful means.
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@charlieBox@lemmy.zip 2026-05-14 15:46
Are you willing to due first? There’s a big problem that the last few generations of people don’t know war and are to willing to get into it.
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@charlieBox@lemmy.zip 2026-05-14 17:02
I hope there is. War is never the answer but these two parties are really pushing everyone to extremes
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@Professorozone@lemmy.world 2026-05-14 17:25
I looked it up a while back so forgive me if I didn’t get it right but I believe there have been two cases in history of a peaceful transition from fascism to democracy. Anyway, I’m hoping for that.
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@Soulifix@piefed.world 2026-05-14 17:52
At this rate, yeah. I mean, that’s how America was originally founded. We got sick of Imperial Britain’s shit, fought them to get the fuck away from us. Then, when critical ideals came ahead about slavery, we had our civil war. We definitely need another, but the problem is, with how the world has changed. Because, it’ll be very bloody simply because one side will have all of the guns and ammunition (Government, police, military .etc) and the opposing side would only have numbers. In either case, it would send a very impactful and long-standing message about what happens when things are left unchecked for too long. I don’t think Democrats are that interested in fixing or helping things anymore, they have their own agendas, disguised in the form of progressive measures. They helped fund ICE earlier this year. They didn’t fight hard enough to prevent any measures Trump and Republicans have taken that has undone what progress we have done. So, if shedding blood has to be the answer to make anyone see or realize what really needs to be done, then that’s what it is going to take.