Post #2405711
2024-07-25 18:10 UTC
Replies (24)
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@keen456@infosec.exchange 2024-07-25 18:43
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Hi Dan, the PowerShell command in the article has an error- GFD in the comments has the right one. Enjoyed the article a lot.
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@LinuxAndYarn@mastodon.social 2024-07-25 18:49
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange File under "News that makes people want to retire and raise chickens, until they remember bird flu."
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@slothrop@chaos.social 2024-07-25 19:05
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Computers were a mistake, pt. 83,517
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@Rairii@social.nano.lgbt 2024-07-25 19:33
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange oh, good thing I publicly backed up those github repos last year when I found them archive.org/details/aaeon-uefi-firmware-git-repos
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@kgb1001001@mstdn.social 2024-07-25 19:42
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange wasn’t this literally the plot of “Red Team Blues” by @pluralistic@mamot.fr?
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@ralfmaximus@mastodon.social 2024-07-25 19:47
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange > Of course, privileged access is required, but that’s not a problem in many cases.” Doesn't that make it an "already past the air lock" kind of attack? Like, a privileged user would have to knowingly execute a link or file while ignoring all the anti-malware warnings thrown up by the o/s. Windows UAC would stop this, assuming the user is paying attention, right? What am I missing?
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@morten_skaaning@mastodon.gamedev.place 2024-07-25 19:55
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange so something that's essentially is only slightly less important than the nuclear launch codes is protected by.. .. "clown farts"?
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@lispi314@udongein.xyz 2024-07-25 20:04
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange @cstross@wandering.shop Will we finally start getting rid of platform keys and having users provision their own? That'd be nice. There's no reason to trust the corposcum not to sign malware for state surveillance agencies.
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@aracnus@hub.teia.bio.br 2024-07-25 20:34
:astonished_face:
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@shadow06@mastodon.social 2024-07-25 20:37
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Use Linux, roll your own.
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@mhkohne@mastodon.social 2024-07-25 20:39
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Can we just go back to masked ROM, please? When the BIOS couldn't be flashed in the field, it also couldn't be compromised in the field.
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@Fedihacker@masto.es 2024-07-25 20:45
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange That was close. My motherboard is MSI.
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@phil_stevens@mastodon.nz 2024-07-25 22:14
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Phew. My laptop is from 2017.
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@coffeetest@infosec.exchange 2024-07-25 22:17
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange I remember arguing with someone about this way back. I am not sure why I was so opposed back then but this result doesn't surprise me. IIRC maybe I was sure this was just a way to try and lock out unapproved OSs i.e. Linux but to be honest I can't recall. The augment against me was like "but but but security!!!!!!1!!1!"
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@delegatevoid@mastodon.gamedev.place 2024-07-26 01:50
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange For those looking for the command on Linux: you must first install the eftools package `sudo apt-get install efitools` `efi-readvar -v PK`
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@ericdube@mastodon.social 2024-07-26 02:48
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange I'm starting to feel something of this severity is coming to surface on a weekly basis lately.
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@privateger@plasmatrap.com 2024-07-26 05:08
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Have these "industry-wide secret keys" ever worked? It's always some dumb stuff like this in the end :floofWoozy:
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@casandro@f-ckendehoelle.de 2024-07-26 05:38
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Well it's "Secure Boot". The security it's meant to provide is for business models, not for user data. So as a user I couldn't care less.
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@magnetic_tape@infosec.exchange 2024-07-26 07:52
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange I'm not sure UEFI with its large attack surface is better, security-wise, than good old BIOS which was at least easily auditable.
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@jgordon@appdot.net 2024-07-26 22:39
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Thank Darwin that was the only blunder compromising Secure Boot and we can absolutely trust it otherwise. (Are typewriters still being made? I had a very fine electric typewriter with small edit buffer I gave away in the 90s. Now it would be worth thousands :-)
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@g0xmkamovz@mastodon.world 2024-07-28 06:53
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange I thought secure boot was mainly for Microsoft to strong-arm people away from Linux?
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@datenwolf@chaos.social 2024-07-28 15:49
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange nitpick: Secure Boot cannot and does not protect against firmware-level malware. That was never the goal. Secure Boot is intended to protect against booting a compromised operating system. That's all it can do, by design. And as this key leak shows, it's a pretty bad design at that. The better approach would have been implementation of a plain measured boot environment, used for deriving a system image unlocking key. If the machine was manipulated, key derivation would fail.
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@leo@60228.dev 2024-08-25 18:28
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange is this not the exact thing described in this fwupd github issue from nearly 4 years ago? https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/2695
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@simonzerafa@infosec.exchange 2024-12-15 18:33
@dangoodin@infosec.exchange This may be a utility to test for this issue, or a similar one 🙄🤦♂️ https://www.grc.com/isbootsecure.htm