Post #2065858
2026-05-06 05:21 UTC
Replies (10)
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@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw 2026-05-06 06:28
I know people are trying to explain something to me with nuance, and I'm truly not trying to be a jerk, but all I keep hearing is that the violence we experience as trans women is actually privilege. But not just any privilege, but specifically male privilege. Because we are men. Or at least because people think we are. Which is its own privilege. And we should be so privileged to live through this violence in order to get *benefits* that make our lives easier (at this point we disregard the violence). I'm just not buying it. Having the effects of our literal torture, self sacrifice, and violence called privilege is just not making its way to me.
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@natasha@lgbtqia.space 2026-05-06 05:28
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw I'm not sure. I mean, you got a point. But there are several life experiences, some are male related that we don't and never liked to do, other are human experiences made easy by presenting male. It happens also for trans men.
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@celestestormysea@yiff.life 2026-05-06 05:32
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw Identification with and belonging to a group is more nuanced than labels. What is a privilege? «Etymology From Middle English privilege, from Anglo-Norman privilege and Old French privilege, from Latin prīvilēgium (“ordinance or law against or in favor of an individual”), from prīvus (“private”) + lēx, lēg- (“law”). (countable) A particular benefit, advantage, or favor; a right or immunity enjoyed by some but not others; a prerogative, preferential treatment. [from 10th c.] Synonyms: franchise, immunity, prerogative, right, (Scotland, Northern England) freelage All first-year professors here must teach four courses a term, yet you're only teaching one! What entitled you to such a privilege?» . . . —
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@faithisleaping@anarres.family 2026-05-06 05:42
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw Broadly speaking, no, pre-transition trans women do not have male privilege, at least not in the way cis white men do. But also, white privileged, male privilege, passing privilege and things of that nature are instantaneous and situational. You may have some boost in one context in one moment and be abused for who you are in the next. Are there aspects of my life which were improved by a couple decades of people taking me more seriously because they thought I was a white dude? Yes. Am I now spending all that money on therapy because I’m so fucked up from what playing that role cost me? Also yes. I don’t really think it’s a binary thing that you have or don’t. It’s intersectional.
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@bri7@social.treehouse.systems 2026-05-06 05:48
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw Why Are AMAB trans people denied the closet? by Julia Serano https://juliaserano.medium.com/why-are-amab-trans-people-denied-the-closet-7fd5c740ce30
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@MelissaBearTrix@gives.hugz.online 2026-05-06 06:13
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw I think there is a privilege, not for everyone, I was fortunate to be in both male and female perceived spaces all my life ... Like being a fly on the wall It was interesting ... But also one would need to be observant and love watching body language Hugz & xXx
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@StarkRG@myside-yourside.net 2026-05-06 06:23
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw I think it's still privilege even if the requirements for receiving it are a heavy burden. Like a prince who doesn't want to be king still gets all the privilege. I agree with everything else you said, I just disagree that paying for a privilege means it isn't a privilege. A trans woman masking as a cis man is certainly onerous, but they'd still get the social benefits that males do. That doesn't subtract from the constant trauma it causes, though, or even remotely compensates.
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@anyia@lgbtqia.space 2026-05-06 07:06
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw does anyone have privilege then, by that reasoning? The men trapped by the patriarchy, forced to play the role of a modern "alpha" male? Just like us, they too have to suppress part of who they are, just to a lesser extent. I moved through the world, where presenting male (if only weakly) made doors open that I'm far less sure they would these days. That was a privilege, as far as I see it, now that I finally see it. Privilege, albeit at a wretched cost.
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@elight@tenforward.social 2026-05-06 13:32
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw @pathfinder@beige.party to be clear, not a negation. Forming a second theory by leveraging your first. I read this and I can see substituting "autistics" for "trans women" and "unmasking" for "coming out" and it reads just as true. Many of us have similarly struggled to live in this world that was not built for us. 💜
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@iris@neuromatch.social 2026-05-06 14:29
@revoluciana@chaosfem.tw oof, so, I have complicated thoughts on this. Bear with me. When trans women in technical positions suddenly find themselves being underestimated and undermined by their colleagues who previously viewed them as competent, that is some form of privilege lost, right? But it's still worth it, so it's not so cut-and-dried as being a single, unidirectional transaction. This is where I think the concept of privilege fails us, or at least doesn't permit the necessary nuance. If we talk about protection, we can talk about appearing male as being a form of protection. It may not be healthy or wise or right, but there is some reason people might choose it anyway, and that reason can be considered a privilege, in that it's not automatic and not everyone can opt in at the drop of a hat. There are people who would choose to temporarily present as male when walking down a dark alley, but can't. They lack that option. But again, that doesn't mean it's right or worth it or comes without repercussions. It just means it's an option -- or even something that happens without their opting in -- that some people have and some don't. The way "male privilege" is usually discussed is implicitly the much more narrow case where it's consensual and without repercussions, and that's where people end up talking at cross-purposes while using ostensibly the same language.