Post #1505708
2023-02-14 19:16 UTC
Replies (40)
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@SnerkRabbledauber@mas.to 2023-02-14 19:51
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Very good point!
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@derek@social.coop 2023-02-14 20:00
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Oh. OH.
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@arnandegans@home.social 2023-02-14 20:14
@tb@tldr.nettime.org but, the future hasn’t happened yet so there’s nothing to change and if you think everything is predetermined you don’t believe in free will… #hmm 🤨🤣
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@brrbrr@mastodon.world 2023-02-14 20:22
@tb@tldr.nettime.org basing your moral philosophy on the hypothetical effects of pulp fiction time travel, may not be the clever move you think it is.
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@MarioERoc@mastodon.world 2023-02-14 20:42
@tb@tldr.nettime.org It’s a good point, if you time travel backwards, do be so uptight !
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@eshep@social.trom.tf 2023-02-14 20:59
@tb@tldr.nettime.org People also think that any small change in the past could only have a negative impact on the present.
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@KinkyLotus@kinky.business 2023-02-14 21:33
@tb@tldr.nettime.org one of the most interesting concepts for me in homesteading is the scale of permanence and how you can use that to prioritize your time & energy. If I spend 20 minutes stacking rocks in a valley to build a check dam, the effects of that action might last for hundreds of years as those rocks slow the movement of water in the valley, allowing seeds to germinate, plants to grow, communities of insects, birds, herbivores, etc to flourish. And all it took was 20 minutes of my time and the energy to move some rocks.
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@Smokinjoe@mastodon.social 2023-02-14 21:46
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Oh yeah!? Then how do you explain THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1hmiaNReCg
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@sand@mindly.social 2023-02-14 21:49
@tb@tldr.nettime.org by “small” you mean donating millions to political parties to sway policies in your favour?
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@magitism@mastodon.online 2023-02-14 22:28
@tb@tldr.nettime.org The issue is when I go to the past the small thing I change like stepping on an ant might change who is the president; things I do today will have the same huge impacts - and just as random and impossible to predict. It is useless information. What I need is a way to predict how my small changes will impact the world, and I have no such way.
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@Aviva_Gary@noc.social 2023-02-14 22:53
@tb@tldr.nettime.org truth
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@rakoo@blah.rako.space 2023-02-14 22:54
@tb@tldr.nettime.org That's kind of the plot of About Time: when you need to go back in the pqst and re-live your life a second time to be able to enjoy the little things, you realize you could do it in the present the first time
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@mrfusion@twit.social 2023-02-14 23:15
@tb@tldr.nettime.org I think about this all the time...
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@Corvo@kolektiva.social 2023-02-14 23:38
@tb@tldr.nettime.org 💡 🧠 💡 That is a wise sentiment I think. 🌞 I saved that picture. Hope the good changes you want come to be. 👍
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@earthshine@hackers.town 2023-02-15 00:36
@tb@tldr.nettime.org entropy is a bitch though. Every decision we make has the potential to radically change the future, just not in any way that we can reasonably predict or plan for. although most time travel models don't allow for linear time, so if you went back, you couldn't get back to the same future again anyway.
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@Peregrine993@mastodon.coffee 2023-02-15 00:41
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Good one. I was at a demonstration where one woman has a sign reading, "Trying to Be a Good Ancestor".
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@jeremygibson@fosstodon.org 2023-02-15 00:58
@tb@tldr.nettime.org fantastic alt text.
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@brainblasted@jade.moe 2023-02-15 01:31
@tb@tldr.nettime.org We're living through the butterfly effect every day.
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@lispi314@mastodon.top 2023-02-15 01:39
@tb@tldr.nettime.org It's mostly a hindsight is 20/20 thing. It's a lot easier to retroactively assess critical pivots once they've already been demonstrated as such. Although at the same time, one has to be certain it isn't just a single emergent manifestation of a general probability attaining realization. #MultipleDiscovery and #SimultaneousInvention are two examples of such a thing where addressing any single instance would do all of nothing. #TimeTravel #Change
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@RedFaster@stranger.social 2023-02-15 02:36
@tb@tldr.nettime.org solid
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@Christofurio@newsie.social 2023-02-15 04:31
@tb@tldr.nettime.org The change one worries about in the first instance is stochastic -- any deviation might have multiplied effects in an unpredictable way. But the change one hopes for or despairs of in the second panel is planned -- one would like to do something SPECIFIC and beneficial to the future. Not really an insightful conjunction.
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@Herr_Tuslowsky@norden.social 2023-02-15 09:49
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Excuse me, but this meme is nonsense. There is no point doing small things in the present, if you don't know they will be successful. if you travel back in time you know exactly what small things to do to be successful. So, this meme is just an instruction for chaos.
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@adrianmorales@ieji.de 2023-02-15 13:52
@tb@tldr.nettime.org So true it hurts!
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@Wolfie_Rankin@aus.social 2023-02-15 14:23
@tb@tldr.nettime.org because we lack the thing that changes it.
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@Beeks@home.social 2023-02-15 14:39
@tb@tldr.nettime.org @maxkennerly@mstdn.social This is why I kill every butterfly I see.
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@aebrer@genart.social 2023-02-15 15:03
@tb@tldr.nettime.org I think the difference is foreknowledge of how the past events led to the future events -> something we lack in the present
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@keith@mastodon.world 2023-02-15 17:09
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Of course, in the former, the person has the benefit of hindsight and knows how things played-out. So they know what to change, and why. It's a bit tougher without all that information.
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@uathachas@mastodon.ie 2023-02-15 18:04
@tb@tldr.nettime.org Ná bac le machnamh faoi conas Hilter óg a mhárú san am atá caite. Maraigh naitsithe óga i rith do linne féin.
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@nk@sns.neonka.info 2023-02-16 06:16
@tb@tldr.nettime.org That will not be a change. You can change something you have. It's easy to change the present while you are in the past because you already know what led to this situation and what has to be changed. But even in that case, the changes may not conform to your expectations. You don’t have a future yet so you cannot change it. But you can create it. Probably.
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@manoj@masto.ai 2023-02-16 08:58
@tb@tldr.nettime.org @paul@notnull.click That’s the power of retrospect. 😃
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@Sminted@mas.to 2023-02-16 14:00
@tb@tldr.nettime.org but the present is the past in the future..
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@victorkirui@mastodon.social 2023-02-21 18:42
@tb@tldr.nettime.org 😄
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@berndmichaelgrosch@mastodon.bayern 2023-02-23 09:05
@tb@tldr.nettime.org how true...!
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@qruyant@scholar.social 2023-02-26 08:46
@tb@tldr.nettime.org it's a question of perspective: we're indifferent about the many qualitatively similar futures, unless we come from one of them
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@nlarson830@techhub.social 2023-02-27 02:45
@tb@tldr.nettime.org https://techhub.social/@TootUncommon@mstdn.party/109929543683874386
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@zenheathen@mastodon.social 2023-03-17 18:30
@tb@tldr.nettime.org The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The second-best time is now.
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@drwho@hackers.town 2023-03-17 21:43
@tb@tldr.nettime.org https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkPxm9lE0oY
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@neia@are.waffles.fun 2023-03-17 21:44
@tb@tldr.nettime.org People worry about not being able to go home after traveling to the past. They don't worry much about coughing in the wrong alley and suddenly the Americas are fascist from pole to pole.
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@fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk 2023-03-18 09:54
@tb@tldr.nettime.org In science fiction, they worry about f**king up the world they are _returning_ to. Not the same thing. We'll never know if we screwed up the future; we don't have anything to compare it to…
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@PGBeattie@mastodonapp.uk 2023-03-18 17:25
@tb@tldr.nettime.org the reality is that any time traveller .. would buy Apple, Google and Microsoft shares... They wouldn't change anybody else's future 'cept their own