Post #1461173

2025-11-25 21:27 UTC

@GrapheneOS @watchfulcitizen Alright, so... I took the time to do some more searches, read your messages, and read some of that giant thread you've linked to. > [The journals a]re doing it because state agencies contacted them. Most of the articles are quotes. I can't speak for the contents of the Parisien or Figaro article, because they're paywalled. I would however like to point out that the Figaro's headline specifically uses the word “misused” (« détourné »), implying that this is *not* the use case y'all have intended for it. > Do you consider state-funded news in France to be right wing? Arguably, given our political direction these last few years, I'd say yes lol. But neither of the above two is state-funded, and since I don't have access to the contents I can't say they got the info from state agencies. How'd you know? > There's a massive amount of coverage Is there? I could only find three articles: [Le Parisien](https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/google-pixel-et-grapheneos-la-botte-secrete-des-narcotrafiquants-pour-proteger-leurs-donnees-de-la-police-19-11-2025-NTGPQE4JCNGEHLF7XGIQ3CCA2I.php), [Le Figaro](https://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/qu-est-ce-que-grapheneos-ce-logiciel-detourne-par-certains-trafiquants-pour-supprimer-les-informations-de-leur-telephone-20251119), and [francetvinfo](https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/narcotrafic-les-autorites-alertent-sur-l-utilisation-d-un-systeme-d-exploitation-de-telephone-pour-echapper-aux-forces-de-l-ordre_7631510.html) (more on that one below). > The journalists are not doing their job by taking that as fact and not giving a chance for us to respond to specifics, sure. Actually, the francetvinfo article contains two lengthy paragraphs of your response. And... claiming that you're a non-profit is kind of missing the point? Like, yeah, sure, but what happened still happened. I agree with the rest of your stance, but I'm afraid this kind of thing does paint you in a bad light. But what do I know, I'm just a single guy :P

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@issotm@social.treehouse.systems 2025-11-25 21:35

@GrapheneOS @watchfulcitizen > You linked to another highly inaccurate and extremely biased article. You mean... biased in your favour, you know that, right? Here's the last paragraph, translated for any reader's convenience: (full disclosure: I agree with GrapheneOS that they've been unfairly portrayed by Le Parisien and on the political predicament in France, however I don't think their project is any less security theater than other extant Android forks. Regardless, one can see that for the pigs, not wanting Google in your pocket, that's suspect. "Don't stand out", I guess.) > Rather than doing your own research, you're basing your claims on another inaccurate article which is wrongly blaming a right wing newspaper for it. No, I went to google.fr's News tab, typed "GrapheneOS", and sifted through the first three pages, finding only Le Parisien and Le Figaro as reputable news source, and then linuxfr as an opinion piece. You'll find attached a screenshot of the first page of results. The second page only contains technical articles about trying out GOS or explaining what it is. (Again, if there's “massive” coverage, I'm missing it. And the secondary sources I see only quote these two papers, not any TV source either.) Again, since the two articles are paywalled, I cannot offer further comment on the rest of your (second) post.

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@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social 2025-11-25 22:02

@issotm@social.treehouse.systems @watchfulcitizen@goingdark.social It was meant to be a link to https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private about the extraordinarily level of insecurity of /e/ devices. We've edited the post to use the correct URL. > implying that this is *not* the use case y'all have intended for it. We're focused on what law enforcement is claiming, not journalists. The articles are a source for what law enforcement is claiming via their quotes and paraphrasing. Our issue is with what law enforcement has claimed and threatened.

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