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You make a number of interesting obversations, and you’re right that “Who is it for” does feel more natural, despite being the object of that sentence.
Perhaps you’re right that some teachers have taught it poorly, and insisted on specific words without explaining the underlying grammar, and perhaps that failure has led to people using the language incorrectly, which has then snowballed such errors into common usage.
Another word I often see poorly used is the reflexive pronoun ‘myself’, which should be used as the object when the subject and object of the sentence both refer to the person who is speaking, as in “I gave myself a pen”, but I know at least three people who commonly misuse it with a sentence like “Make a decision and get back to myself”, which is just hopelessly wrong and sounds terrible, but I think it may be the same issue you described where people have never had it explained to them what the correct usage is, and end up mistakenly thinking that it sounds more "correct’"to say myself in place of the word me. Credit to Austin Power’s deliberate blunder Allow myself to introduce myself
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I suppose you’re the type of person who believes that once an error gets enough momentum it is no longer a error. I doubt that I’ll be able to change your mind, but I’ll give it shot anyway.
While I recognise that we no longer speak the English of Shakespeare, it’s a very different thing to suggest that when people make grammatical errors today, it’s just a part of the natural development of a language.
I would put it to you that English of today is actually changing more slowly than it has it past, because of better global education, better access to the same consistent sets of grammatical rules (it’s very easy to look things up on the internet today - that was not the case in London in 1600), and we have far more exposure to geographically distanced social interacting from all over the world through social media on a daily basis, than has ever existed before.
There are certainly variants and dialects where specific language structures differ from others, but it is simply wrong to claim that “me and my friend went shopping” is grammatically correct simply because it’s a common error. It’s not, it’s an error, in just the same way that mispelling their/they’re/there is wrong, and the way that using an apostrophe in possessive pronouns is wrong.
I lament the loss of adverbs in favour of adjectives, where someone might say “I will do that quick” (should be ‘quickly’), or the even more common one, “I did good” (should be ‘well’ - people do well, Mother Teresa did good). If we simply allow these errors because they’re deemed close enough to understand someone, then should we just throw out the rules, sit back, and watch the resulting confusion with glee? The reason we teach people grammar is precisely so that they can be precise, not just so that they can be understood. Being able to “just be understood” is no more than the most basic level of communication, and should not be the bar that one aims for in life.
I’m not prescribing that everyone needs to stick to one specific set of grammar rules, nor am I suggesting that they need to stick to all the rules of the dialect they speak, but I do suggest that there are commonly made errors which are obviously wrong, and which can be trivially corrected to improve communication. I’ve been hauled up on adding a space before a question mark, which I think is more of style thing than a grammar rule, and I’m not so worried about that sort of thing (some people are, I’m not). I’m not even that worried about the occasional or obvious typo, but I do get irritated by basic words being regularly mispelled or substituted for other similar sounding words, and I do get irritated when I see people not being able to get the sentence structure of subject/verb/object correct, as we saw here.
Whether you agree it or not, having a poor command of grammar does affect a person’s credibility, particularly in professional and legal roles, and it’s such so simple to put a bit of effort in to correct it, before it becomes a bad habit.
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You wouldn’t say “me has a couple of chains”, so why do you think it should be “me” when you add in another subject?
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This comes in handy a lot of the time
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Well, that looks like a huge...
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That filter is the brain's 'frontal lobe', which is what trump's dementia is currently turning into swiss cheese.
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Apr 05, 2026
Corporates drool over the idea of making it their computer and having you pay monthly for a service (right to use it)
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I bet the people in that tower complain bitterly about the ‘poors’ spoiling their view.
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Apr 02, 2026
Always read the label, talk to your doctor to see if copilot is right for you
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Mar 24, 2026
Failed to load media ?
Is this a meta joke that a broken image is better than a Trump one? If so, you’re probably right.
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Feb 22, 2026
Depends where you are. Germany , for example has laws that make it illegal to record people in public doing things that could embarrass or demean them.
Japan made google throw out their original streetview data and do it again with a shorter pole so that it didn’t look over people’s fences.
Different countries have different laws.
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It’s almost like the people drawing these conclusions from incomplete data are… poorly educated?
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Woden’s day
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In “there” own fashion huh ?
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