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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Russia was invading militarily Crimea well before 2014, when you stated the ethnic cleansing against the russian population began. So we can see the so called “ethnic cleansing” as a measured response against a coup being carried out, which is a normal reaction any state would have should it territorial integrity being compromised. It’s not me plugging my ears, it’s you who don’t want to look at the historical evidences I provided you with because they go against your narrative. But as they say “blame others for your own acts and then cry foul” seems to be the only tactic left for the kremlin trolls online at this point
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
So you’re defending ethnic cleansing as a “measured response,” like a “final solution,” would you say? Excellent, you keep outing yourself as a fascist more and more. I was wrong, I admit, I thought you were ignoring the evidence of ethnic cleansing instead of supporting the ethnic cleansing.
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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
No, I’m staying that the Ukrainian state fought against a militia armed and trained by the russian to steal the Crimean peninsula. While there were treaties in place preventing the russian from acting exactly like this. If you wage a coup against a state you cannot cry genocide when you are fought against by the state you attacked first
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
Ukraine broke the treaties, and the Banderites couped the state and started ethnically cleansing Russians. It’s ethnic cleansing, full stop.
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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
Again, put-it-in admitted himself russia was supporting separatists militias in a military fashion well before 2014, when the Crimean war broke out. How can you so blindly keep on repeating that was Ukraine to break the treaties is beyond my understanding
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.
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@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent
I’m specifically referring to the Budapest Memorandum of December the 5th 1994 where it was established that Russia would have kept the Ukrainian state indipendent and would not have tried to annex it again in the future against the returning of its atomic warheads. I see no russian warheads in Ukraine today but I have seen the little green men taking over Crimea before if 2014. Who broke the treaty then???
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@Cowbee@lemmy.ml on lemmy.ml Open parent
The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first: “Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political commitments seriously and do not believe any U.S. sanctions, whether imposed because of human rights or non-proliferation concerns, are inconsistent with our commitments to Belarus under the Memorandum or undermine them. Rather, sanctions are aimed at securing the human rights of Belarusians and combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and other illicit activities, not at gaining any advantage for the United States”. This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union. The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
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FabioTheNewOrder in !memes
@FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world · Dec 17
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime. Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead? Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
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