Post by @SmoothOperator

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@zloubida@sh.itjust.works on sh.itjust.works Open parent

Men are trash sure; but so is this meme.

@quips@slrpnk.net on slrpnk.net Open parent

No entire group of people is trash. This is the same thinking behind misogyny and racism, and is the exact kind of speech that breeds incels.

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@SmoothOperator@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

One could understand “men are trash” as having the meaning “every single man is trash”, which would be in line with racism as you say. Or one could understand it as “the group overall is trash”, meaning any individual member isn’t necessarily trash. The latter meaning is in some senses a matter of data - men are extremely overrepresented in e.g. violent crimes. Which, again, doesn’t much about the individual man.

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@quips@slrpnk.net on slrpnk.net Open parent

So would you say “Black people overall are trash” is a racist statement?

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@SmoothOperator@lemmy.world on lemmy.world Open parent

As I’m clearly in the wrong according to downvotes, could you elaborate on what I’m missing?

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@quips@slrpnk.net on slrpnk.net Open parent

I think at the core its like we are all here to be kind to one another. You can point to statistics, historical context, etc… but when it comes down to it, is calling people trash leading with kindness? Is that the kind of speech that seeds good into the world? Is that speech that betters you, men, and women? I don’t think so. I think there are far more kind and constructive ways to have dialogue.

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SmoothOperator in !lemmyshitpost

@SmoothOperator@lemmy.world · 11d

It’s not kind for sure, completely agree. My point was more that even if it’s unkind, it’s not necessarily racism or bioessentialism. I think we must be kind to individuals, but still acknowledge problems with groups. That does require a shift in mindset to not feel personally impacted by statements about a group you belong to, which is easier said than done.

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