deliriousdreams

You appear to have gone completely around the twist. You haven't shown a logical progression of anything you claim. You don't point to any current legal precedent, clearly aren't paying attention to the actual wording being used to draft this bill/law proposal, and are spreading what amounts to FUD. About the only truthful logical statement you've made is that it's not about whether you like or dislike these companies. Companies are considered a lawful entity with rights. The supreme Court literally just ruled that LLM's do not count as the same kind of legal entity because if they did they'd be able to copyright their "work". So I really do question how you think we go from that to "nobody has free speech because the LLM can't give legal advice". Speech that causes harm has pretty much never been a protected form of speech in the US, even if I were to humor you and assume that an LLM could have the rights to it. And you mean the "bad these companies have wrought".

Congress appear to think they are immune to companies collecting, buying and selling their data online. They pretty much all have private accounts. That information will be publicly available to anyone who wants it if they do this. They'd have to be suicidal to go along with it. It's a case of hubris, inability to think critically about the situation past the money, and potential power and the assumption that they'll somehow be insulated from the fallout. But ruin the wrong person's marriage or lose the wrong person their family? That target will be so big they'll have no place to hide. There's not enough secret service to protect them. We already saw that with the January 6th stuff. This isn't just really stupid. It's exceptionally dangerous.

It's not just the names of people. I'm bad at remembering those too, but I have a theory. I noticed that sometimes my brain can open the door to the room with the information I need (a name, some nomenclature, a process, etc). When it can I can regurgitate that information pretty much ver batim. When it can't, I have that tip of the tongue feeling and my brain rushes to alleviate that feeling because it feels like anxiety. So it will provide me with information that is tangentially related (the name of someone else who works with the person who I'm trying to name, or the name of a tool that might do something similar in another field, or the name of a place in the same region etc). But then it doubles down and sort of... overwrites the real.name with whatever the mistake name is. Upping the likelihood that I will misname that person or thing again. I will very often know that this is happening. I will know that the name that is coming out of my mouth is wrong. But I can't seem to help myself. This has been a problem my whole life. I don't think it's a case of no caring or being selfish. I think it's a case of brain chemistry and thought processes. Apparently it's a well know problem with ADHD people: https://progressivetherapyassociates.com/news-story.php?ID=69#gsc.tab=0

They get recycled. Not saying this isn't hyperbole, but it's the fact that those numbers are attached to legal names (even if the person is deceased) that's problematic.

I have one question. From where? Name the other countries building equivalent aviation equipment and platforms. So far as I know they're pretty much all fascist.

And now it's $80 an hour or more to hire a plumber. This is a bad deal no matter how you slice it. And the commenter above is correct. If AI could do these jobs, so could cheap labor overseas. So the $80 an hour plumber is much more likely than the outsourcing that resulted in the destruction of Detroit as a manufacturing hub.

I wish I could put Linux on my work computer.

We didn't win until I can remove it all from my computer.

People aren't just rejecting it and staying on 10. they are actively downgrading (going back to windows 10) or leaving the windows ecosystem entirely for Linux. Someone actually went out of their way to tally up and explain all the shit MS broke over the course of the last year. It's a ridiculous number of things.

You fail to understand that this wasn't an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside. And as someone who did enlist, I'm gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty. I absolutely don't agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you'll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don't agree with the shit we've done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries. But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not. I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.

I have tried to explain to Americans here and on reddit and other places too that the political landscape in Russia is very different and that what we think is possible is all passes through the lens of our own government and country. But people are gonna people. For what it's worth, I don't agree with those people whole sale either. I recognize that what they're asking the Russian populace to do is tantamount to a death or slavery sentence.

it's very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren't the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime. The problem is that you're screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of "Fight!". That's not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension. I understand that you're expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day. App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don't boost actual efforts to fight. News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don't come across many posts with actual solutions isn't a it's intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.

I'm sure this will make people who use it feel better, but as a form of protest it does nothing. Unless you're gonna install this extension on a bunch of public computers.

Lots of people who have taken to the internet at large may not understand the root cause of why, but they don't ke Google's reputation for killing projects and enshittification. That discussion is happening everywhere. And you should also note that a lot of the early adopters of Google Now and Google Assistant (including the hardware) are tech enthusiasts who absolutely did have the realization at one point or another about how these companies were essentially rifling through their emails and other information they were collecting in order to provide such detailed information. There were multiple articles about it (from outlets and blogs that these kinds of people follow). Perhaps once Google assistant became more mainstream (where people were more likely to pick up assistant enabled devices and such in target or the like), those people didn't realize. But they still see the enshittification.

There's a lot of people claiming "no one wants this". Thing is, people loved this when they introduced it with Google Now back in 2012. They literally used to trawl your inbox and tell you when to expect packages, when you had appointments, when your flight and hotel were booked for/when to leave for the airport. All of that was useful information and it was free. Later their assistant could call to book you a table at a restaurant or add things to your shopping list or whatever. Some of this functionality started off very clunky, but it could absolutely be useful. But slowly but surely people started realizing that they were the product and that in order for Google Now and assistant to do this stuff it had to be reading emails and processing information in the cloud. We didn't have devices that could do that kind of processing on phone. After backlash (and likely because it wasn't making them any money because they hadn't figured out how to monetize the product yet), Google got rid of Google Now and Google Assistant took over. it did some of the same things but distracted users from what was missing with flashy new hardware and smart home things. Lots of people loved that stuff too. Then Sonos sued and forced them to kneecap their products.Suddenly the honeymoon was over in a big way. Some of the most basic smart home features were broken and in such a way that people who used them were irate. Some of those integrations and functionality returned eventually. But right in the middle of that Google launched Gemini and it sucked at most all of it. It keeps getting "better" supposedly. But for a.lot of smart home users the magic has been lost. they want what they had and lost and Gemini isn't even a reasonable facsimile of that. So it's more that people are frustrated with Gemini and angry at Google for killing another service they found useful. People still want technology to make their lives easier and more efficient. But they also want privacy and for things to just work. Google hasn't made a product that just worked in a long time and AI isn't going to be it.

I think it needs to cover infrastructure too.

I need some time to think about what you wrote before I respond. I need to switch gears here and also give some thought to how such a thing would play out.

I'm not arguing against free speech here. Granted I also didn't downvote these comments. The main problem is that the original comment and subsequent comments don't explain what the alternative is. It isn't just the US that has such laws (as I tried to demonstrate by posting an alternative law from the UK. The thing is, generally the rights of an individual generally stop where the rights of another individual start and vice versa. The original comment doesn't even explain what part of either the ruling by the country in question or the threat of legal action on the part of Cloudflare they disagree with, nor did they explain how that is in any way related to free speech. There exist whole countries that have internet that doesn't use Cloudflare's services. Cloudflare is a big player in the DNS space but they aren't the end all be all of the internet. If the concern is that Cloudflare's threat to leave the country will amount to censoring free speech because websites won't be available due to the lack of Cloudflare services, that's a problem with the infrastructure of the country in question and their ability to provide DNS blocking as a service (forcing them to rely on a business that is provides said services in exchange for money). That same money can be used to stand up a Cloudflare alternative. Reliance on tech corporations is not an excuse to claim free speech is being detrimentally affected by censorship. Even if it was, the least the original commenter could have done was offered alternative solutions.

Corporations have rights. Quite literally. They are legal entities. We aren't required to use their services. They aren't required to provide said services. "In the UK, Article 10 of the 1998 Human Rights Act protects our right to freedom of expression: Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. In this case public authority is the government. Governments have an obligation to prohibit hate speech and incitement. These are dangerous. Restrictions can also be justified if they protect specific public interest or the rights and reputations of others. People imposing the restrictions (whether they are governments, employers or anyone else) must be able to demonstrate the need for them, and they must be proportionate. The choice for Cloudflare or any company that operates in the jurisdiction of the government enacting the law is to obey the law or not do business in that governments jurisdiction. It seems like that's exactly what Cloudflare is suggesting they will do if the government tries to force them to adhere to said law. That's their right as a company. I'm not saying cloudflare is a good company. My argument isn't that pulling out of the country is a good idea. My main concern and the reason that I responded to your comment in the first place was because you tried to make this about freedom of speech, and as it pertains to this discussion I'm not really sure what your argument is except that your idea of free speech is predicated on the idea that the freedom of the people and their speech should in some way negate the freedom of the company. The threat of legal action on Cloudflare's part seems to be to do with the fine that the government is trying to force on them for refusing to agree to obey the newly enacted law. It's normal for corporations to fight civil penalties like this. Your argument doesn't seem to be that it costs tax dollars (it does), or that it's unfair because you or I wouldn't have the same opportunity due to monetary limitations to legally fight the government. Or even that if you or I didn't agree with the law we couldn't just up sticks and leave the country. Your argument seems to be that somehow, by standing up for the rights they do have, this company is somehow blocking free speech? I'm asking because I still am not sure I understand.

Corporate censorship is not illegal. If you come to my house spouting Nazi rhetoric I have ever right to call you out on it and kick you out of my house. There are laws deliberately protecting the people's right to free speech that is not infringed by the government. Now if you want to talk about how we should remove companies/corps rights as entities, we can have the conversation. Trump was banned from Twitter and it was a good thing because it was them enforcing their TOS/EULA rules in a reasonable manner that doesn't play favorites. Because the average person like you or me couldn't say a lot of what Trump said on the platform and not get banned. That doesn't mean Twitter is a good company. There are no good companies. Corporations are not your friend. But they also aren't government entities and they shouldn't be. So if the state wants to sponsor the internet as a utility it can create its own cloudflare-like service for the purpose of DNS blocking and block whatever it wants. But cloudflare isn't a state sponsored utility. It's a corp. It has every right (whether you agree it should have rights or not) to not operate in countries it doesn't want to operate in.

and the citizens are doing?

I'm sure that app developers who want to sell user data because it is big business will find a way to do so, yes. Phones for the vast majority of people are a black box. Most of the users have no idea how their apps work or what data is going where and they don't know how to check. People who work in cyber security, or the tech field (engineers, coders, developers etc) who's jobs revolve around this type of thing know how to check and generally take steps to avoid apps and services that siphon up this kind of user data. I know little to nothing about the Linux phone. I haven't tried it. I haven't delved into what it can do and why it's "not ready for prime time". So all I can do is extrapolate from what we already know which is, these apps request permissions that a lot of people give them without thinking about it. People do this on windows and Mac too. Humans and their lack of understanding/preference for convenience are the main problem. That and there's no regulations that hold these app devs accountable. These apps aren't breaking the TOS of the Apps stores they're on. My hope is that a lot of the Linux phone apps will be FOSS. That way the code can be independently audited. That would be better than the alternative.

Not with that attitude we don't.

Yeah. Typo. Seems to happen a lot when I'm typing fast on a phone screen. Sorry.

404Media say that their list is a comprehensive list of both Android and iOS apps. So no as far as I know that is the list.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ukgd0gIWd9gpV6bOx2pcSHsVO6yIUqbjnlM4ewjO6Cs/edit?usp=sharing&ref=404media.co This is the link to the full list provided in that article but it may also be paywalled by 404 Media which I am a subscriber to. It's also got more than 1K entries on it. A lot of these seem to be mobile games, fitness apps, photo editing apps, and prayer apps though.

Who could possibly have seen that coming. It'll be Trump supporters who donate next.

They probably have to do so as part of their job. A lot of newsworthy stuff still (unfortunately) happens on twitter or is posted there.

I'm assuming you mean that phone software will be free, because phones (while they can be heavily subsidized) aren't free and are getting up to ridiculous prices. I own a phone that retails for $1000. That's a ridiculous price for a phone. Except that phones now are just very tiny personal computers.

Aren't we already seeing that though? The vast majority of people who surf the web don't use a computer to do it. People who do belong to niches. People over a certain age grew up with and still buy computers. People who game still buy computers or consoles. People who stream/create content still use computers and other electronics for that purpose, same with like. Engineers and hobbyists using CAD and other software in creative spaces. But the smart phone has overtaken the computer as a personal computing device by quite a large margin now. And at every turn companies are trying to make cell phones a den of ad service, slop, and addictive content while stealing any user data that's not nailed down to increase their revenue and continue the circle.