Chris Wilson

@luis_in_brief Anyone who goes to a large company has to take on the mantle of "I'm communicating partly on behalf of my company now" though. It's a difficult adjustment.

@luis_in_brief Having worked for two huge megacorps now: I doubt it. I do think the round of Google layoffs has irrevocably damaged the trust many of us Googlers had in how the company is run, though.

@robin @michaelchampion When you want to turn the dialog from "Google needs to be fixed" to "How can we rebuild and change infrastructure to prevent these negative behaviors while making the best platform for users", let me know.

@robin You continue to double down on the statement "Google is a problem we need to solve", while claiming this doesn't mean anything like "Google needs to be eliminated." I DO actually recognize lots of systemic problems, and want to solve them - and as I pointed out, I HAVE BEEN engaging on those problems - but, as @michaelchampion said, all you are doing with this positioning is making it harder for ethical Googlers to engage.

@robin I have no useful response other than to remove myself from this conversation.

@robin @Edent Saying "GOOGLE" is a very serious problem for the Web implies quite strongly that the problem is the existance of Google. And yeah, that would surprise (at least one) person who didn't put you last on their ballot.

@robin @Edent The fact that centralization is a very serious problem we actually agree on. I would encourage you to dig back in the W3C Vision document effort to see who put "do not favor centralization" as core principle. (Spoiler alert, it was me: https://github.com/w3c/AB-public/commit/0aeea69d280bcbdba903fa453184b1a3b403df6e)

@slightlyoff @abr @robin @Edent It would also be hear the argument justifying why Google spends so much resource trying to keep the W3C functional, and ISN'T moving all work to WHATWG or somewhere else.

@robin @Edent And it's not very heartening to hear a Director say "Google is a serious problem that we need to solve". Perhaps you could tell me in what way we've not been supportive?