Post #918743
2023-04-14 18:21 UTC
Replies (34)
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@alisca@mastodon.ie 2023-04-14 18:26
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Nazis don't generate a lot of revenue but content moderation is as expensive af.
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@ernie@writing.exchange 2023-04-14 18:27
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Not only that, but it appears to have a pretty significant security gap. Check out this thing I just caught: https://substack.com/profile/556619-ernie-smith/note/c-14698819
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@Benevans@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 18:29
@mmasnick @nilay_patel How do you know that substance isn't an example of the Nazis building their own bar?
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@bitnik@unix.dog 2023-04-14 18:36
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Thank you for that. There is such widespread confusion over free speech, that our right (and one might say, duty) to avoid amplifying harmful speech is easily forgotten. It's the most misunderstood element. "Cancel culture" is often merely the exercise of free speech.
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@darrelplant@mstdn.social 2023-04-14 18:39
@mmasnick @nilay_patel The line I liked was "And literally, we launched this thing one day ago. We’re going to have to figure a lot of this stuff out." They spent some time putting this together and thinking about its marketing, processes, etc. so Substack Notes didn't just spring out of Best's head like Athena overnight without any time to FIGURE A LOT OF THIS STUFF OUT. My guess is that what they figured out was they were going to deliberately ignore it.
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@biobrain@newsie.social 2023-04-14 18:40
@mmasnick Yeah. It's pathetic how free speechers refuse to explicitly say what they believe, like they think it's a trap that makes their wise actions seem wrong. Back when Colbert first said reality had a liberal bias, it was mainly about Bushies. Now it's a core belief among all rightwingers. And if they lie and deflect, it's our fault for asking them the wrong questions.
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@Popehat@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 18:41
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Yeah, I really don’t get the refusal to answer the question.
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@breakfastmtn@mstdn.social 2023-04-14 18:54
@mmasnick Chris Best isn't getting enough credit for letting us know to abandon the platform *before* anyone adopts it. It's actually super considerate.
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@JonathanCMull@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 18:57
@mmasnick @nilay_patel tyvm
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@Qwijib0@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 19:04
@mmasnick afaik that's a bot reposter account, @nilaypatel is probably him, maybe if we tag him he'll start using it more
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@ferrix@mastodon.online 2023-04-14 19:06
@mmasnick @nilay_patel 💯
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@SHODAN@mas.to 2023-04-14 19:26
@mmasnick Said it earlier in another post but can we at least learn from Twitter where from it's early days it was seemingly clear as day it never had any intention of real content moderation but we kept with it even as the user experience became dire as a result. I don't have high hopes of people learning to be honest.
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@thomasapowell@fosstodon.org 2023-04-14 19:34
@mmasnick @nilay_patel The full interview transcript reads like a light weight grifter tech bro who has no business in the role he is in. Yes indeed very bad ethics, but also if this interview is indicative he is completely out of his depth.
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@hammancheez@c.im 2023-04-14 19:35
@mmasnick @nilay_patel all these neu-twitters are finding out content moderation is a motherfucker like it wasn't an obvious thing you have to deal with (not that being obvious makes it EASY)
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@DeliaChristina@sfba.social 2023-04-14 20:01
@mmasnick You're right; content moderation hasn't eliminated the existence of certain (terrible) ideas. But de-platforming hate speech (particularly white supremacist, white nationalist speech) can certainly narrow that channel significantly so that those groups/people find it hard to identify each other, mobilize, and organize their terribleness. Well, thanks to the free speech tech bros, that's no longer the case, and these f*cked up groups are connecting + mobilizing more effectively than they should be. Golf clap to these platforms, I guess?
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@datn@hact.org 2023-04-14 20:35
@mmasnick @nilay_patel i was waiting all day for this! thank you for the great article, Mike, and for the excellent interview, Nilay!
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@NIH_LLAMAS@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 20:47
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Waiter, there's a nazi sitting next to me. "Would sir like to be moved to the non-nazi section? We also offer complimentary ear muffs if you would like to control your experience." Great solution, Chris.
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@fraying@xoxo.zone 2023-04-14 21:02
@mmasnick 🔥🔥🔥
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@abdulla77@twit.social 2023-04-14 21:38
@mmasnick @nilay_patel after seeing that interview, I’m honestly disappointed at Best and at what Substack has become. Best’s reactions speaks volumes.
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@timhwang@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 21:56
@mmasnick We gotta do a proper catchup sometime
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@glitch@pl.glitch.pm 2023-04-14 22:53
@mmasnick @nilay_patel even dang from the orange "you should be polite to the nazis" site has a straightforward answer that that sort of overt racism isn't welcome. wow that is weasely.
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@grandmaBates@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 23:05
@mmasnick @nilay_patel The idea that running a server is infrastructure, and infrastructure should not be used to censor is a view so lacking in nuance as to sound like a bad joke, but it is coming from someone trying to create an influential source for the exchange of news and ideas.
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@cautionwip@mstdn.ca 2023-04-14 23:21
@mmasnick Someone correct me if they think I’m being too fussy, but did he actually confirm they’ve stopped their program of paying certain hate-promoting creators to use the service to draw people in? The exact quote when he was asked that whether that was ongoing (in a far more politic manner, to be sure) was “No. Not really.” Not really sounds like a bit of a qualifier to me..
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@MortenBay@mastodon.social 2023-04-14 23:31
@mmasnick @nilay_patel "I'm not going to get into content moderation". YOU RUN A CONTENT PLATFORM!
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@tldrew@mastodon.social 2023-04-15 00:22
@mmasnick @nilay_patel I asked a substack writer what they thought about the substack’s social features. The reply: “As the author, I have full control over moderation.” The ‘full control’ was in response to my reference to comments and chats. I wonder if they are outsourcing notes moderation to authors? requiring/asking them to moderate if they post or respond. Market approach~> it seems the only downside would be losing paid subscribers. What happens when 2 authors interact?
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@izaro@twit.social 2023-04-15 00:34
@mmasnick @nilay_patel 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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@SloanStudio@mastodon.social 2023-04-15 00:36
@mmasnick @nilay_patel The damage done to SubStack by the CEO in one interview is pretty amazing. These weren't surprising questions, Nilay simply didn't let him slide out of it.
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@hackbod@mastodon.social 2023-04-15 02:32
@mmasnick Really struck by: "I think we’ve run, in my estimation over the past five years, however long it’s been, a grand experiment in the idea that pervasive censorship successfully combats ideas that the owners of the platforms don’t like. And my read is that that hasn’t actually worked." I guess he is saying in the last 5 years content moderation got more aggressive and made it worse, but I think you should compare to pre-social media publishers with much more content moderation.
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@ech@qoto.org 2023-04-15 02:51
@mmasnick Is it the Nazi Bar? Or is the point that it is inevitable and will be shortly?
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@experiencersinternational@mstdn.social 2023-04-15 09:30
@mmasnick @nilay_patel and I definitely didn't make an account a few weeks prior It's easier discovery than trying to do GitHub pages or anything
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@svenh@mastodon.au 2023-04-15 10:23
@mmasnick @nilay_patel As Nilay once said about Elon when he bought Twitter. "Welcome to Hell"...
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@Janne_O@mastodon.social 2023-04-15 11:14
@mmasnick @nilay_patel they want to “maximize freedom” in the society, but you can’t do that for everybody. If they maximize freedom for Nazis they automatically reduce it for everybody who is not a Nazi. They need to ask themselves whose freedom they want to maximize.
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@alexlayne@mastodon.social 2023-04-15 13:08
@mmasnick @nilay_patel Saw this yesterday when searching for Substack Notes on the App Store.
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@dpg@fedi.beagle.casa 2023-04-15 15:37
“Nazi Bar” doesn’t seem a little hyperbolic? Chris Best clearly avoided “gotcha” questions and it’s no wonder when he’s derided as a literal nazi.