Post #83479
2025-12-19 19:21 UTC
Replies (40)
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@andyburke@fedia.io 2025-12-19 20:09
Please, consider trying out linux if you haven't: you can usually make a "live usb" and take it for a test drive without having to actually reinstall (if you don't like it, just take the usb stick out and reboot back to windows). I would dearly love to never again have to hear about the latest bullshit Microsoft is foisting on people. Do your part! Switch. Everything just works better over here.
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@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 20:16
> In Windows 10, you could move it to the top, left, or right of the screen. *In every version of Windows up until now which has contained a taskbar and start menu, as far back as Windows 95.* Not just Windows 10. Let's not sell short the full extent idiocy on display, here. "Pouring its engineering resources," my ass.
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@vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2025-12-20 06:29
the reason is literally "because we decided not to implement it" Saved you a click.
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@otacon239@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 19:37
> Microsoft applied a data-driven approach to find out which features to add now, which features to add later, and which to completely avoid. WHAT DATA?!
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@Blackmist@feddit.uk 2025-12-20 11:51
TLDR: We rewrote the taskbar and didn't bother implementing it.
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@Treczoks@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 23:25
> Microsoft’s data shows such users are really small when compared to the number of users who are asking for other newer features in the taskbar. Asking for things like AI integration everywhere?
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@b_tr3e@feddit.org 2025-12-20 02:58
> building the taskbar from scratch meant that they had to cherry-pick things to put into the feature list first, and the ability to move the taskbar didn’t make the cut, for several reasons that Microsoft values. Translation: Nobody really knows (or wants to take the blame), we probably just forgot to put on the feature list. Anyway, I'll just use the usual vague weasel-words that don't really mean anything.
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@Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 20:44
> When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to have a wonderful experience in those environments is just huge It was working fine in windows 95. Suddenly all programmers became incompetent and can't handle something like that?
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@ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2025-12-20 14:45
> “When you think about having the taskbar on the right or the left, all of a sudden the reflow and the work that all of the apps have to do to be able to have a wonderful experience in those environments is just huge.” This is such utter fucking nonsense. They already have to deal with the concept of a "client area" that encompasses variable-sized screens and (worse) the multiple-monitor situation. Movable task bar is trivial.
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@Zak@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 21:20
The bit about apps having to reflow seems nonsensical. They have to reflow any time the user resizes their windows. I'm not accepting any excuses from MS about limited resources when Linux desktop environments built by hobbyists have the feature in question.
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@ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2025-12-20 00:48
> Tali Roth, the then product manager working on the core Windows user experience, including the Start menu, taskbar, and notifications, took up the question and talked about how **building the taskbar from scratch** meant that they had to cherry-pick things to put into the feature list first, and the ability to move the taskbar didn’t make the cut, for several reasons that Microsoft values. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?! If you have working code, why would you rewrite it from scratch? Refactor, sure. Overhaul, maybe. But why rewrite the whole thing?! You're gaining nothing but unnecessary bugs. I know all the joke answers. To justify a product manager's salary, because Microsoft gonna Microsoft, whatever. I want to know the real reason. Why would you *ever* rewrite working code from scratch if you don't have to?
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@prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2025-12-20 12:36
*laughs in KDE*
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@FireWire400@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 21:11
I'd guess it's for the same reasons why we can't have a local account > it’s safe to assume that the company isn’t interested in pouring its engineering resources into pursuing something that won’t benefit a majority of users I mean, they could just let their awesome Copilot *vibe code* it, couldn't they? Another reasons why I love being on Linux; you can do whatever even it it doesn't make sense to the *majority of users*.
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@4am@lemmy.zip 2025-12-19 22:48
Let’s be real, it’s because it makes it easier to train AIs on the Recall screenshots if it always has the taskbar in the same position as a reference context
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@Janx@piefed.social 2025-12-19 22:19
"We specifically made the product worse, because that saves us money we don't need and gives us additional control over users' computers, since so many are locked into our ecosystem." Seriously, read the article. That's basically it!
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@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2025-12-19 22:41
My wife was given a new work computer. Windows 11 and not enough RAM. She has been finding a new reason to hate it nearly every day, starting with how every change made to windows has fucked up her workflow in some way. Me just nodding in acknowledgement as my little Dell Inspiron 15 purs along on Mint with Cinnamon.
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@Samsy@lemmy.ml 2025-12-20 08:13
Meanwhile KDE: Put the taskbar wherever you want it's even floating if there isn't a window nearby.
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@bike_and_cargo@feddit.org 2025-12-20 20:28
Microsoft is doing great when it comes to supporting the rise of linux.
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@rumba@lemmy.zip 2025-12-20 14:59
They didn't just rewrite it, they rewrote it in ~~feces~~ React https://winaero.com/windows-11-start-menu-revealed-as-resource-heavy-react-native-app-sparks-performance-concerns/
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@xeekei@lemmy.zip 2025-12-20 02:57
This almost makes me want to move my panel in Plasma just because I can.
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@bstix@feddit.dk 2025-12-20 09:41
The whole explanation about screen size is telling. The entire point of Windows being named Windows is that apps can run inside these resizable rectangles nicknamed windows. Yet the rectangular taskbar is apparently impossible to handle...
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@SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 2025-12-20 02:24
If it takes so much effort to move the taskbar, why did it need to be fully rewritten in *react native* when everything worked before?
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@BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 2025-12-20 06:52
Windows 11 is a bloated disaster. I urge everyone to switch to Linux or one of the BSDs. Also switch away from Microsoft Office and use LibreOffice.
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@CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2025-12-19 19:33
My screen is 2160px tall and 3840 pixels wide. If it’s at the bottom, I waste nearly 1.8 times the number of pixels. Microsoft’s excuse about app design and layout is straight bullshit because I can make application windows any size and ratio I want.
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@LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 2025-12-19 23:39
No exaggeration, this was my breaking point for switching to linux exclusively.
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@gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2025-12-20 11:55
Join team Linux!
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@supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2025-12-20 03:16
Is this what hearing Vogon Poetry is like?
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@yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 2025-12-20 01:23
It really seems like Windows really needs KDE to come back to the platform...
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@reddig33@lemmy.world 2025-12-19 20:52
Is the explanation, “Because Windows 11 is shitty”?
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@veeesix@lemmy.ca 2025-12-19 19:34
Jokes on them I decided to give macOS a shake when it was time for a new laptop.
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@Broken@lemmy.ml 2025-12-20 03:44
Why can't they just ask copilot to program that for them?
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@jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 2025-12-21 02:16
I honestly just want my old right mouse click back.
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@Aljernon@lemmy.today 2025-12-20 13:18
Most windows products get slightly shittier with each new release.
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@Chais@sh.itjust.works 2025-12-20 09:17
Imagine letting your computer decide how you're gonna use it 😖
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@Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 2025-12-20 14:46
I guess the AI writing windows 11 code keeps getting the taskbar wrong.
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@sturmblast@lemmy.world 2025-12-20 19:06
Because microsoft sucks at ux
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@abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2025-12-20 12:09
They just don't want you to customise your computer in any way, huh. Soon you'd be prevented from changing your wallpaper.
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@User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 2025-12-21 09:21
You can move taskbar to any side in Windows 98 (or earlier), but this abomination can't, that speaks volume. BTW older windows also had crazy granular theme customization, no more, that's apparently nuclear science or smth.
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@Mio@feddit.nu 2025-12-21 13:33
*Notably, Windows 10 could do the same thing without any visible issues. And that’s probably because Windows 10 was a much lighter OS than Windows 11.* There is nothing wrong with being lightweight. Maybe, just maybe, making the startmenu in React is not the best idea.
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@lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2025-12-20 13:26
Install Linux Problem Solved. This phrase should be made a bumper sticker. Or spraypainted anywhere.