Post #667763
2026-03-07 09:46 UTC
Replies (13)
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@pitrh@mastodon.social 2026-03-07 10:38
@jani@floss.social I think that in the early 2030s we will be seeing dissertations and papers on "The Mid-2020s Developer Skills Erosion Caused by Indiscriminate Large Language Model (LLM) Use". Believe me, it *will* be a hot academic topic.
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@tuban_muzuru@beige.party 2026-03-07 15:31
@jani@floss.social Excuse me, no. I'm using open source MLs.
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@tuban_muzuru@beige.party 2026-03-08 14:25
@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl > So you did indeed not read his post but decided to go full porcupine and throw a hissy fit when called out. Talk about arrogance. Try that gaslighting shit elsewhere. > Using a free software stack, you could be an effective developer with a relatively low budget. A cheap or used laptop and an internet subscription. >LLM coding is changing that too. You either need a very powerful and expensive machine to run a local model, or (currently more likely) an LLM subscription. We are lead to believe you have to pay a monthly fee to be an effective developer. To which I replied >Excuse me, no. I'm using open source MLs. Is it this part you don't like? Or this one? > LLM coding is changing that too. You either need a very powerful and expensive machine to run a local model, or (currently more likely) an LLM subscription. We are lead to believe you have to pay a monthly fee to be an effective developer. That's a begged question and it's not true either. > The prospect of your output as a developer being tied to a proprietary service seems risky at best. Which is, of course, bullshit.
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@tuban_muzuru@beige.party 2026-03-08 15:42
@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl More English lessons for you: let's parse the following sentence: > My output as a developer tied to a proprietary service seems risky at best. I lasted 40 years as a consultant and only really worked for 9 months a year for tax purposes. I did not hug a corporate tree. And I made about 3x than my employee counterparts. How much are you clearing after taxes, Arthur? Are you brave enough to step out of the cubicle farm and make some real money? Of course not.
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@futureisfoss@fosstodon.org 2026-03-09 20:43
@ArtHarg@mastodon.nl @tuban_muzuru@beige.party Hey Arthur, just wanted to say that your website is actually pretty nice. A few words of genuine content over SEO optimized slop anytime.
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@matildalove@wetdry.world 2026-03-08 09:59
@jani@floss.social weird how the future according to techbros always involves everyone being dependent on renting shit from techbros
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@oatmeal@kolektiva.social 2026-03-08 10:11
@jani@floss.social “worse than stupidity” In a slightly different context but very much the same issues. Cloud services indeed traded convenience for diminished software freedom, control and privacy... as we can see today user fleeing US based services. Even #Proton can't guarantee protection to its customers, as we saw recently. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman #AI #theaicon
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@leeg@fosstodon.org 2026-03-08 10:38
@jani@floss.social how many hardware refresh cycles before you can run a small but capable coding model—say, qwen3 coder next—locally on modest hardware? We’re in the same position today that Xerox Alto was with GUIs circa 1978, but with broader and more diverse access to the future than 50 employees in one office.
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@tshirtman@mas.to 2026-03-08 12:55
@jani@floss.social yes, i’m concerned about that too, for now i have "free" access to them through work, and i assume it’d be the case even if i switched job, it would be more risky if i went independant, but still probably a manageable cost. I’m still not at ease with the whole thing, and i keep an eye on what’s possible with smaller models (i was pretty happy with qwen-2.5-coder even at 4B, for code completion when i was still using that, but didn’t find something local that works well for agentic coding)
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@polyfloyd@hsnl.social 2026-03-08 14:09
@jani@floss.social I really feel this. Having started out as an somewhat impoverished teenager, software engineering got me into a middle class. This profession is incredibly accessible to people that are stubborn enough. I hate to see it being gate-kept with stupid LLM tools.
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@gundersen@mastodon.social 2026-03-08 15:37
@jani@floss.social apparently you need to use the latest model. But if the latest model 6 months ago was good enough to create software 6 months ago, then it must still be good enough to create software this month. And if today's model can't be used in 6 months (because there is a newer one) then it can't be used today either. Having to pay for the latest model is only true if you are in a competition, not of you want to create something useful.
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@stonykark@mstdn.ca 2026-03-08 16:38
@jani@floss.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al I have a bulletproof solution: quit the industry. Do anything else. I still love programming, but now I get to do it strictly for fun on my own terms. 👍
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@araly@gamedev.lgbt 2026-03-09 07:37
@jani@floss.social yeah it's what I've been fearing, it's willingly giving away the means of production to a corporation in another country. it's also not being able to code unless you have a decent always on internet connection. it's already the case for a lot of people, but your coding should be able to be done on a disconnected laptop