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@kestral@masto.hackers.town @jens@social.finkhaeuser.de i am too, i hope to god the bubble pops. i have a lot of patience for people who have concerns or questions, im more than happy to talk through my thought process because this is something i care about deeply. but at the end of the day ive learnt that it's often a waste of time to try and reason with people who are making sweeping dismissive statements of a project i have poured my soul into just because of its dependency on a project they dislike. This goes especially for systemd, we had and continue to have a lot of discussions with them about the state of the ecosystem and how we want to use their software, if we didn't align with them on a technical level we wouldn't have made the switch. our goal is to build a mobile OS that actually respects the user without compromising on being accessible to non-technical folks or on security. If your priority is to not use systemd then i just have nothing else to say because you clearly aren't taking the utilitarian approach and we have a fundamental misalignment. we are right now trying to seize the moment that the current geopolitical landscape has provided us, we aren't going to succeed in making it to production in a reasonable timeframe if a large part of our focus is reinventing the wheel (and having to get all our security code audited). There are just more important issues for us like figuring out how to enable secureboot on Android devices with pmOS, making the UX and telephony functionality actually reliable, collaborating with vendors, etc... I have no doubt that once we actually get Linux Mobile in production with at least acceptable levels of security that the devices we support will be able to run whatever systemd-free OS you want, I welcome that era with open arms. But we have to pick our battles and there is no world where it makes sense for that to be our priority. I think out original announcement blog post explained things pretty well, i should probably just link to that when people post comments like this https://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/03/05/adding-systemd/