Post #2545760
2025-07-13 08:50 UTC
Replies (20)
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@dymaxion@infosec.exchange 2025-07-13 09:01
@yaxu@post.lurk.org At some point, I went to a pretty interesting seeming security and usability academic conference, breaking my general rule of not bothering with that sort of thing. Basically all the work presented was useless because folks had only studied the work, not done it, and no one in the room had context to call bullshit. Not to mention, of course the general sort of academic ritual of ignoring bad work instead of calling it out, which only helps if you already know what's bad.
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@undltd@tldr.nettime.org 2025-07-13 09:46
@yaxu@post.lurk.org people in Ukraine who are subject to military service or currently in the army (most men and some women)people in Ukraine who are not officially forbidden to leave but are affected by the war such that they can't effectively participate in remote events (dead, wounded, don't have the resources, time or money). Thus, for every n potential in-person participants from Russia there could have been some n participants from Ukraine who are excluded by the war (by Russia). Streams and recordings at least allow some degree of semi-attendance / "lurking"...
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@johentsch@hostux.social 2025-07-13 10:48
@yaxu@post.lurk.org @yaxu@post.lurk.org This is true. Yet, having participated remotely in hybrid conferences, the hitting each other up randomly over some poster or buffet, or purposefully because someone had asked an interesting question, is yet to find its online equivalent. When you're there physically, well, you're gonna talk to people. Attempts at extending these mechanisms to online during the pandemic (e.g. via wonder.me & co) haven't worked because a) when you're home you have other things to do
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@wim_v12e@scholar.social 2025-07-13 11:58
@yaxu@post.lurk.org This is why the charter of LOCO (International Workshop on Low Carbon Computing) says it *must* be hybrid and affordable. https://sicsa.ac.uk/events/loco-2024/#gb-tab-item-ff85514a
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@fehrtrade@toot.community 2025-07-13 12:04
@yaxu@post.lurk.org 100%! Thank you for such a comprehensive list.
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@lea@hci.social 2025-07-13 14:01
@yaxu@post.lurk.org post-2020 even “senior academics + research students” is optimistic — it may have stabilized somewhat but in 2023/2024 it was definitely A Thing that, while the PhD students were being told they had to go to conferences to network with senior academics, the senior academics themselves were frequently opting out (for time/money/health reasons). 🙃
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@haaflife@ohai.social 2025-07-13 15:48
@yaxu@post.lurk.org I know this is not a request for additional points but ... "People who are aware that around 1 % of the world are currently infected with COVID, a disease that has a 100% morbidity rate, and value their physical health and intellectual capabilities" should be on there as well
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@unexpectedteapot@social.linux.pizza 2025-07-13 16:33
@yaxu@post.lurk.org being Middle Eastern is a cocktail of some of these things that make all conferences on Fedi incredibly inaccessible.
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@oantolin@mathstodon.xyz 2025-07-13 17:58
@yaxu@post.lurk.org Great list! I can add an entry that describes the reason I canceled an invitation and declined another to conferences in the US: - People who do have a visa but won't use it out of fear of being detained upon entry for an unknown length of time, probably without communication with their loved ones for a couple of weeks, and then deported to a country which may or may not be their country of origin
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@indieterminacy@social.coop 2025-07-13 21:15
@yaxu@post.lurk.org Interesting. What about the post conference publication?
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@irina@wandering.shop 2025-07-14 05:30
@yaxu@post.lurk.org Boiling down to mostly old white men and young white men with the occasional young black or brown man who happens to be sponsored by old white men. Oh, and the few token women. Grrr.
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@benc@mastodon.hawaga.org.uk 2025-07-14 06:38
@yaxu@post.lurk.org part of my realisation that I don't want to go to "published peer reviewed proceedings"-style conferences was a very bizarre conversation I had with someone about recording and posting talks, that (briefly) was: "why would anyone want to watch any of these talks?" Like I dunno man, ur the one organising the conference.
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@tiny_m@indieweb.social 2025-07-14 09:03
@yaxu@post.lurk.org I think this contributes massively towards the demographic in UK tech conferences for both the speakers and the attendees. The same is true for evening tech meetups. I once saw someone asking a tech meetup in Berlin to start a bit later so that people with parental responsibilities would be able to join and the organiser just flat out refused because the start time was more convenient for them and existing attendees.
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@tynstar@nerdculture.de 2025-07-16 07:04
@yaxu@post.lurk.org For conferences in the USA, add: - People from other countries who have written social media posts disagreeing with Trump and who therefore will not risk entering the USA. - LGBTQIA people from other countries - Non-white people from other countries
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@RSEAA@fediverse.au 2025-07-18 08:27
@yaxu@post.lurk.org We are 100% online for exactly this reason. Now the challenge for us to help the attendees build connections with each other...
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@EinsPossum@chaos.social 2025-07-18 11:14
@yaxu@post.lurk.org also just people who dont want to get Covid and the high risk of lifechanging disability associated with it.
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@stephenrkell@recurse.social 2025-07-18 16:17
@yaxu@post.lurk.org Good points in favour of remote attendance options. I think this message is increasingly being heard... although change takes time and small events will always struggle (AV is hard). However, a minor quibble (perhaps not *that* minor on reflection): please let's not further entrench the wrong belief that "travel" means "flying". E.g. in Europe, where many people live and many international events are held, it is possible to get around without flying.
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@m@miruku.cafe 2025-07-18 16:47
@yaxu@post.lurk.org "if you dont record your talk, people who didnt attend cant see it" you shouldnt need to invoke pity on the various reasons people why people couldnt come. maybe I just didnt have the time. thats a reason enough - record the talk. (unless you explicitly want to ban recording for a given talk, which there are valid reasons for)
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@joyfulcarla@kolektiva.social 2025-07-18 18:13
@yaxu@post.lurk.org i very much agree with this list and can check more than a few as to why i don't attend these... AND.... i usually don't like my talks being recorded for MANY reasons........... i dunno
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@deafferret@flyovercountry.social 2025-07-19 11:32
@yaxu@post.lurk.org all conferences are international if you don’t happen to live there?