Post #2512621

2025-09-25 18:38 UTC

@linrui@mathstodon.xyz @mdcory@mastodon.social @tao@mathstodon.xyz There is no "retreat". Leaking abstraction can be a feature, not a bug. A normal brain and all related nervous/feedback systems are enough to control individual humans, of trillions of cells and 70+ organs. Marx's theory of alienation is of estrangement from self interest. This fits in to @tao@mathstodon.xyz comment of large groups, and I said these groups control the production society needs for its own gain, yet uses society for the operation of said production. We are subjected by them

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@linrui@mathstodon.xyz 2025-09-25 19:08

@atlas667@mastodon.social @mdcory@mastodon.social @tao@mathstodon.xyz In a single-objective system (like the body), "leakage" might be tolerated, or even evolved into a "feature." But in a system with N conflicting objectives (like society), what is "leakage"? It is a breeding ground for corruption. It is a space for rent-seeking. It is a backdoor to bypass rules. It is a channel for "actual implementers" to usurp "nominal power." When you say "leakage is a feature," you are essentially saying "corruption is a feature," which is theoretically untenable. This precisely proves that any attempt to manage a society composed of independent agents with a perfect "top-level design" will inevitably be dismantled by the "implementers" at the bottom, pursuing their own interests, through the leaky abstract layer.

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