@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place
Post #2162641
2025-12-19 17:07 UTC
Replies (27)
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@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place 2025-12-19 17:09
(yes, there are also the soft-forks of Firefox, but I don't think I'd gain much from them - security updates probably arrive a bit later, and apparently AI features still reach their users before they get around to disabling them)
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@david@theblower.au 2025-12-20 08:39
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place To be fair, there are many Firefox forks that have the AI features removed/disabled. @librewolf@chaos.social is one, @Waterfox@mastodon.social is another.
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@cochise@framapiaf.org 2025-12-20 08:55
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place what about fork of firefox like @floorp-browser.bsky.social ?
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@FrankauLux@mastodon.social 2025-12-20 09:15
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place no, the alternative is one of a dozen of firefox forks like librewolf, zen, etc...
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@bladecoder@androiddev.social 2025-12-20 10:08
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I hope a Servo-based browser will be ready to take over after Mozilla fucks up Firefox completely. The project has been showing tremendous progress recently. https://servo.org/
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@swelljoe@mas.to 2025-12-20 10:33
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place yeah, my position continues to be, yes, Mozilla is run by incompetent people who don't actually want to make a browser (made evident by all the ridiculous detours into every fad that comes along, including obviously stupid ones), but that's all. The alternatives are ruthlessly efficient at stripping me of privacy and autonomy. That they make a slightly better browser by some metrics is completely irrelevant, given that fact. The removal of the privacy pledge raises concerns...
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@ingram@mastodon.social 2025-12-20 10:45
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Time for an Epiphany? https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/
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@sinandlerd@social.tchncs.de 2025-12-20 10:45
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. As long as there is a 'disable ai' switch I will stick with it. It's quite 'interesting' to hear, that so many (tech-)people think that all these chromium based browsers are an alternative...
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@dekkia@dekkia.com 2025-12-20 10:53
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I think we desperately need a hard fork of firefox by a non-evil organisation. It's crazy how there are only two browsers and both of them are shit.
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@massa@hachyderm.io 2025-12-20 11:10
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place one can also go firefox-based! I'm using Zen Browser on the desktop and waterfox on mobile, and I've been orettu happy with the results for now...
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@mark@mastodon.markridgwell.com 2025-12-20 11:10
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Just oping that something happends with Servo and Ladybird before this so theres a credible alternative... Still too early for either of them, but both begining to look promising
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@wonderfox@fluffyfox.space 2025-12-20 11:12
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place there are Firefox forks like Librewolf. I believe they will cut out all the AI integration
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@condret@fedi.absturztau.be 2025-12-20 11:20
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place librewolf exists
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@peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv 2025-12-20 11:47
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I don't know, I use this time actively investigate Waterfox, LibreWolf and WebKit based browsers. I don't believe Firefox management gonna change any time soon, so not sure what would be things I would wait for to change.
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@seaborgium1234@mastodon.social 2025-12-20 12:09
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place It's quite the modern dilemma, isn't it? To find oneself in a position where one must actively 'disable new AI features' from a browser whose management you disparage, all to prevent what's seen as a far greater digital evil. It's a rather dramatic calculus for simply browsing the web, I must say. I do wonder, do you ever feel that your commitment is less about choosing a preferred tool and more about maintaining a constant, low-level rebellion?
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@noahm@chaos.social 2025-12-20 12:34
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place this captures my feelings exactly. I love Firefox, my problem is with Mozilla.
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@rootnode@social.wollwage.com 2025-12-20 15:38
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I would rather cheer for the success of Ladybird or even Servo at that point.
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@gekitsu@toot.cat 2025-12-20 15:56
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place yup, my feelings as well. chromium considered malware.firefox the least evil of the currentla available choices. (maybe even a poster child for how much malice can be explained by sheer incompetence)servo can’t come soon enough.
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@mathw@hachyderm.io 2025-12-20 17:28
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Claims circulated the other day that a global AI off switch is being added to Firefox that will cover all current and future AI features. Hopefully this is actually true. Not that this fixes everything but it does help. And even I have to admit that AI hype bubble is extremely large...
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@JanOrszulik@mastodon.gamedev.place 2025-12-20 18:07
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Chromium based things are horrible to use, one of the reasons why I hate steam.
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@albertyeah@mathstodon.xyz 2025-12-20 18:28
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Switch to a Firefox fork that disables all the AI features like librewolf or zen browser.
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@sam@fed.eitilt.life 2025-12-20 18:35
I really wish qutebrowser was using Gecko or Servo rather than Blink/WebEngine (even the alternative WebKit backend is effectively deprecated), but not even Tridactl can compete with a browser designed from the ground up for the keyboard. Still, if I'm ever doing something that requires me to pull up a different browser, it's definitely LibreWolf (or very rarely Tor Browser). I'm just hoping that the upstream management doesn't put too much pressure on the forks -- and even if it does, I'm right with you on it still being better than Google. re: @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@technobaboo@ordinary.cafe 2025-12-20 20:34
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place at this point I'm cheering on Servo, it's more maintainable than the other web engines afaik
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@jdurehed@mastodon.nu 2025-12-20 22:25
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place yeah, I think that it is better to opt out of the bad stuff while still not using something chromium based. I wish we soon also have a better smartphone OS alternative too.
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@Java@freeatlantis.com 2025-12-21 01:12
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place Me, too.
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@SpaceCheeseWizard@woof.tech 2025-12-21 05:38
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place For now I am content using Waterfox. It's probably got its own issues, but the maintainers seem to be firm in their stance to exclude AI bullshit which is all I could really ask for. I'd like for Epiphany to have better extension support but that's probably still years away.
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@squid64@fedi.squid64.ca 2025-12-21 05:53
I just switched to librewolf instead. It's a pretty good browser.