Post #2099385

2026-04-23 13:17 UTC

@khinsen @civodul i'm glad to see they provide citations now. the first version of this i saw a few weeks ago didn't. i had to delete my initial reply which failed to examine it before responding and it seems like a good change. their labels are not remotely helpful and seem intended to obfuscate. i really do not respect the categorization they employ but do not contest that the projects they include are all worth listing (including the ones @civodul mentioned in OP). i just have a strong aversion to the failure to make distinctions which i feel harms the ability to help the users of this list to extend the analysis beyond LLMs to e.g. surveillance and other harmful influences

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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run 2026-04-23 13:43

@khinsen @civodul come to think of it, maybe i could be my own change and make such a table for surveillance of different varieties. i'm sorry @civodul for my initial response since i fully believe you to be aware of and thoughtful about this. i was clearly being defensive and that's extremely unhelpful here. i will try very hard to avoid this and i admire your ability to accept hard truths

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@HaTetsu@mastodon.com.pl 2026-04-23 15:43

@hipsterelectron @khinsen @civodul Yeah, judging from the cross-section of provided citations, a distinction between "considered the issues without an unambiguous conclusion", "said LLM use might be okay" and "oh no this is going to turn into a steaming pile of shit isn't it" might be useful

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@Siroj42@troet.cafe 2026-04-27 15:58

@hipsterelectron On that last point they are making some efforts I think. At the very least they removed suckless stuff from their alternatives list after they were made aware of the politics behind that project.

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