Post #2073834
2025-09-14 14:17 UTC
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@missmythreyi@mastodon.world 2025-09-14 14:31
@elizayer@mastodon.social "It's like everyone has prioritized instantaneous boat speed and abandoned navigation and maintenance" That is such a evocative and accurate way to describing that phenomena
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@c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io 2025-09-14 15:49
@elizayer@mastodon.social the senior/principal engineers should know that code does not always generate value, but always incurs cost. “Should I solve this problem with code?” is a legitimate and important question to ask.
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@MHowell@kolektiva.social 2025-09-14 15:57
@elizayer@mastodon.social Seems like something @raiderrobert@mastodon.social would want to read.
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@sakhavi@aoir.social 2025-09-14 16:28
@elizayer@mastodon.social it’s the one industry where the immanently interdependent and contingent nature of everything you do is the most inescapable. And yet the attitude of “type faster make thing go!” keeps recurring. In my paper I called it “prelapsarian programming” bc it’s what you think software is before you learn anything about complexity. It’s the same thing Weizenbaum noted 50 years ago. https://dl.acm.org/doi/full/10.1145/3715335.3735481
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@smeg@assortedflotsam.com 2025-09-14 16:41
@elizayer@mastodon.social shows how poorly tech leaders understand their business. We should seriously replace all management with AI: the communication can't get any worse, AI might actually make data driven decisions, and it will be much cheaper than bloated executive salaries.
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@lily@homestead.social 2025-09-14 16:50
@elizayer@mastodon.social this is completely accurate
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@kevinriggle@ioc.exchange 2025-09-14 17:39
@elizayer@mastodon.social I observe that everybody seems panicked, running, and totally ready to plow over anybody who stumbles in front of them. I’m getting out and glad to be doing so. The wheels can’t finish coming off fast enough, honestly
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@Jargoonco@mastodon.online 2025-09-14 17:47
@elizayer@mastodon.social Absolutely. I have been describing it as focusing on bigger engines without fixing steering or replacing tires. Boats work too. Everything is so short-term focused!
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@dxzdb@mastodon.social 2025-09-14 17:58
@elizayer@mastodon.social @Jargoonco@mastodon.online one of the saddest things I've seen is parents steering their kids away from careers in coding because: “Ai will take all those jobs"
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@thirstybear@agilodon.social 2025-09-14 18:27
@elizayer@mastodon.social I know! It drives me absolutely mad. But we can only hope the rates will reflect the size of the reckoning that we will be fixing 😁
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@yvonnezlam@mastodon.social 2025-09-14 18:30
@elizayer@mastodon.social I read Jenny Odell's Saving Time earlier this year. It made me think hard about how broken the way the software industry thinks about time is, and why.
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@shadowdancer@mstdn.social 2025-09-14 18:38
@elizayer@mastodon.social So the execs try to maximize the time spent on creating value. Ok, fine. But I haven't seen a single exec being busy creating any value.
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@Jmelloy@vis.social 2025-09-14 19:31
@elizayer@mastodon.social that’s always been the case though, this is just the next round. “We should offshore development, they can write all that pesky code and it’ll be so much cheaper!”
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@chucker@norden.social 2025-09-14 19:36
@elizayer@mastodon.social @eschaton@mastodon.social some managers have never tossed the https://www.folklore.org/Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.html mindset
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@trurl@mastodon.sdf.org 2025-09-14 19:46
@elizayer@mastodon.social the last manager I had before I left Google admitted in a 1-on-1 a meeting that he didn't have the technical skills or knowledge to contribute outside of managing people. This is the fruit of long-term trends that involve not trusting technical staff. (It's a feedback loop because non-technical hires beget more non-technical hires.) Now your leaders are a lot of people whose elbows are knocking pieces off the table because they don't know what the game board looks like.
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@grob@mstdn.social 2025-09-14 20:57
@elizayer@mastodon.social been politely screaming the word refactoring into anyones face for years and all I ever got was solemn nods and 'when we get round to it'
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@grob@mstdn.social 2025-09-14 22:58
@elizayer@mastodon.social depending on a company's business model, they might actually be 100% correct in "coding time == money generating time", e.g. if the company is doing consulting. In that case the customer pays more and more for an ever decaying system. Until {{your_favourite_contract_ending_scenario}}
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@bygone12@mastodon.social 2025-09-14 23:33
@elizayer@mastodon.social Yeah design and prototyping are really important but "productivity" is only measured in lines and commits.
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@ireneista@adhd.irenes.space 2025-09-15 00:17
@elizayer@mastodon.social ah! yeah...
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@OwOday@social.seattle.wa.us 2025-09-15 01:46
@elizayer@mastodon.social listen i just get paid to drive the boat not charter it
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@jaapio@phpc.social 2025-09-15 05:03
@elizayer@mastodon.social I wrote an article about this a few days ago: https://dev.to/jaapio/ai-isnt-changing-developers-its-reminding-us-who-we-are-491o If they only value software developers deliver is code. We could be replaced by code generators.
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@gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place 2025-09-15 10:07
@elizayer@mastodon.social oh yeah, my boss keep talking "delivering value to client". It's a nightmare. And we are less than 10 people total. Like collecting logs or automating installation are not considered bringing value.